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    Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

    I sometimes think that just because we can make or build something doesn't we should do it.


    FOXNews.com - Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News
    Still worried that the Large Hadron Collider will create a black hole that will destroy the Earth when it's finally switched on this summer?

    Um, well, you may have a point.

    Three physicists have reexamined the math surrounding the creation of microscopic black holes in the Switzerland-based LHC, the world's largest particle collider, and determined that they won't simply evaporate in a millisecond as had previously been predicted.

    Rather, Roberto Casadio of the University of Bologna in Italy and Sergio Fabi and Benjamin Harms of the University of Alabama say mini black holes could exist for much longer perhaps even more than a second, a relative eternity in particle colliders, where most objects decay much faster.

    Under such long-lived conditions, it becomes a race between how fast a black hole can decay and how fast it can gobble up matter to grow bigger and prevent itself from decaying.

    Casadio, Fabi and Harms think the black hole would lose out, and pass through the Earth or out of the atmosphere before it got to be a problem.

    "We conclude that ... the growth of black holes to catastrophic size does not seem possible. Nonetheless, it remains true that the expected decay times are much longer (and possibly >> 1 second) than is typically predicted by other models," the three state in a brief paper posted at the scientific discussion Web site ArXiv.org.
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    Re: Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

    Sounds like a plot for another bad armageddon movie.
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    Re: Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

    From the article.

    Casadio, Fabi and Harms think the black hole would lose out, and pass through the Earth or out of the atmosphere before it got to be a problem.

    "We conclude that ... the growth of black holes to catastrophic size does not seem possible. Nonetheless, it remains true that the expected decay times are much longer (and possibly >> 1 second) than is typically predicted by other models," the three state in a brief paper posted at the scientific discussion Web site ArXiv.org.
    It seems that Fox news is the only one taking this as "not so sure"

    FoxNews.com can think of a few other things that didn't seem possible once the theory of continental drift, the fact that rocks fall from the sky, the notion that the Earth revolves around the sun, the idea that scientists could be horribly wrong.
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    Re: Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

    Even if the scientist are sure that nothing bad will happen, is it really a good a idea to have a machine that makes black holes?
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    Re: Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I sometimes think that just because we can make or build something doesn't we should do it.


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    I say we push some liberals in front of them. Bwuahahahahahah

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    Re: Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

    And, why people scare of such a silly imagination?

    Lets start from the beginning, and lets ask for the evidence that black holes exist in the first place the way some scientists assume they do.

    For to start, the idea of black holes started as black spheres. The idea was that a star 590 times the size of the Sun with the direct proportional density should prevent light to escape from such a huge body.

    For centuries the astronomers were looking like crazy for such a star and nothing, on the contrary, the greater stars were the greater in shinning as well.

    Who knows who was the lunatic who changed the rules, and they came later on with the idea that such size of 590 times the size of the Sun wasn't needed anymore, but the shrinking of the star to make it very dense.

    Since them every time they see a phenomenon that they don't understand at all but that its dark, they call it "a black hole"...

    About the collider, I have said long ago that they can do all kind of experiments with total freedom as long as they don't play with nuclear power using dangerous radioactivity, because the most the can do by hitting particles is to divide the particles in smaller sizes. Period. The rest is fantasy.

    Now well, when the scientists themselves play the game that they scare of the statements made by a dumb theory which started with mere imaginations of a dude in the 1700's, come on, you must excuse me but those dudes are showing a great rejection to what reality is, actually they have converted their theories in religious doctrines, they worship them, they don't want to prove them using the requirements of the scientific method, their only base is a bunch of numbers in pieces of paper.

    You cannot scare of such dumb never proved theories that those scientists worship and defend without limits, but you must scare of facts, because facts belong to reality and reality can hurt physically.

    These scientists have converted the dominion of science into a circus...too bad...very bad...

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    Re: Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I sometimes think that just because we can make or build something doesn't we should do it.


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    I would be just as concerned when they start using mini-stars!!!!!!

    Everyone knows that when some stars burn out they can either explode into a supernova and litteraly sterilize an entire galaxy

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    Collapse in on itself to form a blackhole...so you can only imagine what a mini-star may be capable of doing to the earth.

    This reminds me of that famous formula that calculates how many civilized worlds there may be in the universe. One symbol stand for the percentage that destroys themselves before they overcome certain bounds!...Could this be humans!!!!!!

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    Re: Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

    So

    when was the last time a scientist was able to study the physics of a black-hole?

    I think we sometimes think too highly of our own science. "What if WE destroy the world".

    It we were to make a black-hole. I hope the scientists response is "opps".
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    Re: Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Even if the scientist are sure that nothing bad will happen, is it really a good a idea to have a machine that makes black holes?
    Can you prove it will? I didn't think so.

    Many thought if you went to the edge of the world you would fall off.

    Did that stop those in Ships?

    Bunch of scare tactics again.

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    Re: Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

    There is absolutely no chance of this happening. People that brought this up are completely nuts.

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