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Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

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I sometimes think that just because we can make or build something doesn't we should do it.


FOXNews.com - Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News
Still worried that the Large Hadron Collider will create a black hole that will destroy the Earth when it's finally switched on this summer?

Um, well, you may have a point.

Three physicists have reexamined the math surrounding the creation of microscopic black holes in the Switzerland-based LHC, the world's largest particle collider, and determined that they won't simply evaporate in a millisecond as had previously been predicted.

Rather, Roberto Casadio of the University of Bologna in Italy and Sergio Fabi and Benjamin Harms of the University of Alabama say mini black holes could exist for much longer — perhaps even more than a second, a relative eternity in particle colliders, where most objects decay much faster.

Under such long-lived conditions, it becomes a race between how fast a black hole can decay — and how fast it can gobble up matter to grow bigger and prevent itself from decaying.

Casadio, Fabi and Harms think the black hole would lose out, and pass through the Earth or out of the atmosphere before it got to be a problem.

"We conclude that ... the growth of black holes to catastrophic size does not seem possible. Nonetheless, it remains true that the expected decay times are much longer (and possibly >> 1 second) than is typically predicted by other models," the three state in a brief paper posted at the scientific discussion Web site ArXiv.org.
 
From the article.

Casadio, Fabi and Harms think the black hole would lose out, and pass through the Earth or out of the atmosphere before it got to be a problem.

"We conclude that ... the growth of black holes to catastrophic size does not seem possible. Nonetheless, it remains true that the expected decay times are much longer (and possibly >> 1 second) than is typically predicted by other models," the three state in a brief paper posted at the scientific discussion Web site ArXiv.org.

It seems that Fox news is the only one taking this as "not so sure"

FoxNews.com can think of a few other things that didn't seem possible once — the theory of continental drift, the fact that rocks fall from the sky, the notion that the Earth revolves around the sun, the idea that scientists could be horribly wrong.
 
Even if the scientist are sure that nothing bad will happen, is it really a good a idea to have a machine that makes black holes?
 
And, why people scare of such a silly imagination?

Lets start from the beginning, and lets ask for the evidence that black holes exist in the first place the way some scientists assume they do.

For to start, the idea of black holes started as black spheres. The idea was that a star 590 times the size of the Sun with the direct proportional density should prevent light to escape from such a huge body.

For centuries the astronomers were looking like crazy for such a star and nothing, on the contrary, the greater stars were the greater in shinning as well.

Who knows who was the lunatic who changed the rules, and they came later on with the idea that such size of 590 times the size of the Sun wasn't needed anymore, but the shrinking of the star to make it very dense.

Since them every time they see a phenomenon that they don't understand at all but that its dark, they call it "a black hole"...:lol:

About the collider, I have said long ago that they can do all kind of experiments with total freedom as long as they don't play with nuclear power using dangerous radioactivity, because the most the can do by hitting particles is to divide the particles in smaller sizes. Period. The rest is fantasy.

Now well, when the scientists themselves play the game that they scare of the statements made by a dumb theory which started with mere imaginations of a dude in the 1700's, come on, you must excuse me but those dudes are showing a great rejection to what reality is, actually they have converted their theories in religious doctrines, they worship them, they don't want to prove them using the requirements of the scientific method, their only base is a bunch of numbers in pieces of paper.

You cannot scare of such dumb never proved theories that those scientists worship and defend without limits, but you must scare of facts, because facts belong to reality and reality can hurt physically.

These scientists have converted the dominion of science into a circus...too bad...very bad...:coffeepap
 

I would be just as concerned when they start using mini-stars!!!!!!

Everyone knows that when some stars burn out they can either explode into a supernova and litteraly sterilize an entire galaxy

or

Collapse in on itself to form a blackhole...so you can only imagine what a mini-star may be capable of doing to the earth.

This reminds me of that famous formula that calculates how many civilized worlds there may be in the universe. One symbol stand for the percentage that destroys themselves before they overcome certain bounds!...Could this be humans!!!!!!:fly:
 
So

when was the last time a scientist was able to study the physics of a black-hole?

I think we sometimes think too highly of our own science. "What if WE destroy the world".

It we were to make a black-hole. I hope the scientists response is "opps".
 
Even if the scientist are sure that nothing bad will happen, is it really a good a idea to have a machine that makes black holes?

Can you prove it will? I didn't think so.

Many thought if you went to the edge of the world you would fall off.

Did that stop those in Ships?

Bunch of scare tactics again.
 
There is absolutely no chance of this happening. People that brought this up are completely nuts.
 
There is absolutely no chance of this happening. People that brought this up are completely nuts.

I would NEVER say they is no chance, especially in a new technology, however I wouldn't let the extreme improbability of something like that happening stop it.

Hell, if one takes a look at the nuclear science when it was in its infancy stage many didn't know what would EXACTLY happen.
 
I would NEVER say they is no chance

Ok if you want to get technical it has like a 1*10^-Google chance of happening.

Sheesh.

The LHC can't produce collisions at nearly high enough speeds for anything potentially dangerous even to happen. Particles collide with our atmosphere going many times faster, as has been stated endlessly to refute this nonsense. It just isn't going to happen.
 
Having read numerous articles on the LHC, I will attempt to calm down the masses:

ONE SECOND. It COULD last for ONE SECOND. Think about it.

That being said, "one second" is a pretty long time compared to what they are expecting, but there is pretty much a nil chance of anything bad happening. Physics says that there is a chance that if you jump into a brick wall, you'll go right through it. It's very very small, but it's still there. Same thing here. There's a very small chance that it could potentially develop into a mini-blackhole lasting for about one second.
 
Having read numerous articles on the LHC, I will attempt to calm down the masses:

ONE SECOND. It COULD last for ONE SECOND. Think about it.

That being said, "one second" is a pretty long time compared to what they are expecting, but there is pretty much a nil chance of anything bad happening. Physics says that there is a chance that if you jump into a brick wall, you'll go right through it. It's very very small, but it's still there. Same thing here. There's a very small chance that it could potentially develop into a mini-blackhole lasting for about one second.

Exactly how would they know how long it would last for?

Some physicists believe a Black Hole is a type of reaction not yet undersood, actually burning matter (so to speak for basic understanding) and all the matter drawn to the reaction by it's rapidly increasing gravity is burned into a type of ash (so to speak for basic understanding) much smaller than our current comprehension.

The one second may be all that is needed for the rapidly accelerating gravity to suck earth's matter into the reaction.....
 
Oh it's all just a bunch of mouthfoaming by scientists. Who called this facility the Doomsday Machine? How silly is that?
 
Oh it's all just a bunch of mouthfoaming by scientists. Who called this facility the Doomsday Machine? How silly is that?

Truely you can't be serious!....

Reminds me of how much they DIDN'T know about radiation from a nuke when they exposed thousands of military personal.

By the way...most of science is "Trial and Error"

MOSTLY ERROR!!!!!!!:fly:
 
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Oh it's all just a bunch of mouthfoaming by scientists. Who called this facility the Doomsday Machine? How silly is that?

Scientists don't think that the LHC is going to destroy the universe. Only crazy people do.
 
That article is, at best, op-ed. I've never seen a legitimate news story with that much opinion and speculation.

If that was meant to be a news story, shame on Fox. If it was meant to be op-ed, big deal.
 
We can NOT turn on the supercollider. When the Galactic Empire destroys Earth to make room for a superhighway, why in the hell should we have to do that work for them? Make them earn their living, dammit.

**Gives the finger to Zaphod Beebelbrox**
 
Stellar reporting from Fox as usual :roll:

A quick look at the "Related Stories" section shows that in every single article that Fox writes about the LHC they call it a "doomsday machine" which is nothing more than ridiculous sensationalism. They also completely fail to mention the counter arguments that come up every single time that the same set of three or four concerns come up about the LHC.

The energies of the particles in the LHC are orders of magnitude lower than the energies of the cosmic rays that constantly bombard every sizeable structure in the universe. Seeing as the Earth, the Sun, and the other planets have survived more than an hour without becoming black holes, the LHC poses absolutely zero risk of such an event
 
Haha my roommates deemed it necessary to rename the LHC as
the

Large Hardon Collider.
 
I swear to god if this thing goes off and I miss House, I will be pissed.
 
I swear to god if this thing goes off and I miss House, I will be pissed.

HAHAHA

Priceless.

Maybe it will rip a hole through space-and-time and will first start at the time of the House episodes' recording. So you will be watching Dr. House be an arrogant, drug-addict, who is continuously right and then he is sucked into a black hole.
Might be the best way to spend your last minutes, watching other people get sucked into a blackhole.
 
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