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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    As best I can tell from what I am reading it is public, but I am not 100% sure.

    Regardless, as it is a government granted monopoly, whether public of private, considering the service it provides, it should be held to a higher standard.
    That's what I thought too.

    It's sad this guy died. However, sine it was a public operation they should have a system for contacting other government entities to help in these situations.

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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    That's what I thought too.

    It's sad this guy died. However, sine it was a public operation they should have a system for contacting other government entities to help in these situations.
    Sad is losing in seven games in the ALCS to the Rays. Sad is losing the Super Bowl after going 18-0 then losing your star quarterback in the first game the next season. Sad is losing your kitten.

    This is a tragedy. A mite above simple sadness.

    However, you are right that there SHOULD be a system to cover situations such as this. Someone SERIOUSLY dropped the ball on this. It still does NOT relieve the electric company of at least moral (and perhaps legal) culpability for his death.
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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm sorry, but that is not their job. His family should have been more responsible. Don't lay the burden on a company with thousands of customers. Where were his children checking on him, and see if his bills were paid. Obviously something was wrong with the man if he couldn't handle his own bills and so his children should have known.
    Schur, who had no children, owed more than $1,000 to Bay City Electric Light & Power, the city's municipal power company, City Manager Robert Belleman told The Associated Press Monday. Schur's wife, a retired school teacher, died several years ago.

    I don't know, I think the only way to ensure that this doesn't happen is to have the utility be responsible. They are the only entity that we know is in contact with the citizen.
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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    I have to say tough luck to this old guy. Why the hell should the company have continued to supply him with electricity when he was more than $1000 overdue in payments? The company knew he wasn't going to pay for it so he deserve to be cut off. I don't care if it was freezing cold, pay your frigging bill and you'd have been okay.

    This old man died because from pride. He could have picked up the phone and called someone to help, the police, an ambulance, a charity. He could have called on his neighbours for help, instead he chose to freeze in his house, and died because he didnt pay his bills.

    If you dont pay the bill, you get cut off, it matters not how old you are. Being 93 doesn't make you exempt, and being cold doesnt make you exempt. Pay the bill and this wouldn't have happened.

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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    In many states, it IS their job. Do we know the family situation of this man? Amazing you can be so callous about a 93-year-old man who was a WWII vet.
    The fact this man was a WW11 vet is irrelevent. WW11 vets have to pay their bills and the fact they faught in a war does NOT entitle them to special treatment.

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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    This makes me mad and so very sad. Disgusting!

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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cristina View Post
    I have to say tough luck to this old guy. Why the hell should the company have continued to supply him with electricity when he was more than $1000 overdue in payments? The company knew he wasn't going to pay for it so he deserve to be cut off. I don't care if it was freezing cold, pay your frigging bill and you'd have been okay.

    This old man died because from pride. He could have picked up the phone and called someone to help, the police, an ambulance, a charity. He could have called on his neighbours for help, instead he chose to freeze in his house, and died because he didnt pay his bills.

    If you dont pay the bill, you get cut off, it matters not how old you are. Being 93 doesn't make you exempt, and being cold doesnt make you exempt. Pay the bill and this wouldn't have happened.
    This is a municipal company with a monopoly on the provision of electrical power. Perhaps there was a reason he couldn't make a phone call. Perhaps he had fallen or fainted. 93-year-olds do things like that. This is criminal (at least morally) action by the power company.

    You can get on your high horse, but the US has a TERRIBLE record of taking care of its elderly.
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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cristina View Post
    I have to say tough luck to this old guy. Why the hell should the company have continued to supply him with electricity when he was more than $1000 overdue in payments? The company knew he wasn't going to pay for it so he deserve to be cut off. I don't care if it was freezing cold, pay your frigging bill and you'd have been okay.

    This old man died because from pride. He could have picked up the phone and called someone to help, the police, an ambulance, a charity. He could have called on his neighbours for help, instead he chose to freeze in his house, and died because he didnt pay his bills.

    If you dont pay the bill, you get cut off, it matters not how old you are. Being 93 doesn't make you exempt, and being cold doesnt make you exempt. Pay the bill and this wouldn't have happened.
    He had the money stapled to the bills....They couldn't have known he was not going to pay the bill if they never made any contact with the man. They could have only assumed. A letter is not sufficient. Otherwise debt collecters would never call you.
    And when it is cold, no one should be able to take away heat. The fact that the man was 93 has a lot to do with it. You don't know the mentality of the person. You can't expect them to be responsible like a younger person should be. The fact he had no family and no one to check up on him should be a big eye opener for many companies providing such services. And maybe it will make them think about the person they're taking the service away from. I think it's pretty sad, I know here, when they're going to shut off your power or restrict it, they will try one last time in person to collect payment.

    I think it should be mandatory everywhere that a worker be sent out to the address to make sure someone is actually living at the residence. Because there are a lot of elderly people without family to check in on them. And there are a lot of people who do not have the means to make their payments because of vairious reasons. You cannot pay your utility online. Some people do not have cell phones, and we don't know if this man even had a phone.
    The fact that he had money stapled to the bills shows you he intended to pay. And it shows you that had someone gone out to his residence as a last resort to collect payment, they could have had their bill paid and this man would still be alive.
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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cristina View Post
    The fact this man was a WW11 vet is irrelevent. WW11 vets have to pay their bills and the fact they faught in a war does NOT entitle them to special treatment.
    I would expect a Liberal to have such lack of respect for the fact that this man was a WWII vet.
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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I would expect a Liberal to have such lack of respect for the fact that this man was a WWII vet.
    So break out the violins why don't you? Being a war vet does not entitle you to special treatment. It does not entitle you to run up a debt and expect to stay connected with your electricity company. Pay the bill.

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