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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    If he has family they shouldn't get 1 red cent. They obviously FAILED in looking in on him and taking care of his electricity issues.
    He doesn't HAVE any family that we know of. That is the point. He has NO kids, his wife has passed away. He was completely on his own!
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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    I believe he was. Or at least attempting to.
    He owed the electric company $1000, something was wrong and he didn't arrange for some sort of assistance. The man had plenty of money, so somewhere planning was lacking; so you can't blame the state entirely or the electric company. The fact that he was a vet is irrelevant; should he have gotten his electricity free then? Let's not pull on heart-strings and sentimentalism to make political points. He had neighbors too, who found him. Where were they before then; they certainly knew his age and lack of a wife in the house.

    Of course it's tragic, but let's not go nuts.
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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    He owed the electric company $1000, something was wrong and he didn't arrange for some sort of assistance. The man had plenty of money, so somewhere planning was lacking; so you can't blame the state entirely or the electric company. The fact that he was a vet is irrelevant; should he have gotten his electricity free then? Let's not pull on heart-strings and sentimentalism to make political points. He had neighbors too, who found him. Where were they before then; they certainly knew his age and lack of a wife in the house.

    Of course it's tragic, but let's not go nuts.
    I didnt. Just read the quotes in my post you are addressing.
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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    I wasn't talking to you specifically.
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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

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    Of course it's tragic, but let's not go nuts.
    A man died and it was completely unnecessary. I hope Michigan adds itself to the list of states prohibiting such practices during the winter as a result of this tragedy.
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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    He owed the electric company $1000, something was wrong and he didn't arrange for some sort of assistance. The man had plenty of money, so somewhere planning was lacking; so you can't blame the state entirely or the electric company. The fact that he was a vet is irrelevant; should he have gotten his electricity free then? Let's not pull on heart-strings and sentimentalism to make political points. He had neighbors too, who found him. Where were they before then; they certainly knew his age and lack of a wife in the house.

    Of course it's tragic, but let's not go nuts.
    Well if he's that old there's a pretty decent shot he's suffering from 'ol age dementia. Most 90+ somethings aren't all together mentally. If he had no family you'd hope he'd at least have friends or neighbors that checked in on him. Although sadly, I can see that being harder than it sounds. My grandpop is in his 80's and not all there mentally anymore. He gets quite angry at people and yells at them to mind their damn business. He's one of those hard to help 'ol folks. His attitude has gotten worse with age. He's suspicious of people now that he's demented and I imagine if he had no family he'd drive strangers away. There's no way someone like grandpop would make it easy for neighbors to check in on him.

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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Well if he's that old there's a pretty decent shot he's suffering from 'ol age dementia. Most 90+ somethings aren't all together mentally. If he had no family you'd hope he'd at least have friends or neighbors that checked in on him. Although sadly, I can see that being harder than it sounds. My grandpop is in his 80's and not all there mentally anymore. He gets quite angry at people and yells at them to mind their damn business. He's one of those hard to help 'ol folks. His attitude has gotten worse with age. He's suspicious of people now that he's demented and I imagine if he had no family he'd drive strangers away. There's no way someone like grandpop would make it easy for neighbors to check in on him.
    Maybe not, but you can't expect outside entities to be 100% responsible. If you did, then you would give them the right to through him in some old folks home against his will, or something else. This could open too many doors.
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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe not, but you can't expect outside entities to be 100% responsible. If you did, then you would give them the right to through him in some old folks home against his will, or something else. This could open too many doors.
    They should have waited until spring to cut off his power or actually had someone go in and check in on him while they were installing the power limiter device.
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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    They should have waited until spring to cut off his power or actually had someone go in and check in on him while they were installing the power limiter device.
    Seems more than one group of people "shoulda" done something, but they didn't. Looks like they're trying to correct this issue. Bottomline, people who knew him should have checked. Obviously mail had to be falling out of the mailbox.
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    Re: 93-year-old froze to death, owed big utility bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Seems more than one group of people "shoulda" done something, but they didn't. Looks like they're trying to correct this issue. Bottomline, people who knew him should have checked. Obviously mail had to be falling out of the mailbox.
    But to install the limiter, someone actually had to physically GO TO HIS HOUSE to install it. Why couldn't they have checked if he was actually there and try to ascertain the situation while they had someone physically there.

    I have noted how you have moved the goalposts through this discussion. You started by saying how his children/family should have been looking in on him, but once it was shown that he has none, you are moving the onus on others. As the agency who cut off the power and killed the man, the electric utility is more responsible than any person in this man's death.

    As for correcting the issue, how can you correct this given the fact that a man is dead due to the negligence of the power company?
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