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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

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    That doesn't surprise me in the least.



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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

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    For the most part, it depends on what the taxes go to fund. Say gas tax goes to roads and bridges and such, that's mostly going to be appropriate (assuming the tax isn't too high). Taxing smokers to pay for child's health care...no, that's no where close to appropriate.
    So, what do you think the rooms/meals tax in NH pays for?
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    I have no idea what that is or what it pays for, but it sounds fishy.

    If I had to guess, I'd say it sounds like a tax on people visiting NH and staying in motels and such. If it pays for public parks and such...it would almost seem justifiable. But State parks should be paid by the citizens of the State, not outsiders. But as I said, not really sure what the tax is or what it pays for. It would be a little suspect if it really was something meant to tax only visitors to the State.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I have no idea what that is or what it pays for, but it sounds fishy.

    If I had to guess, I'd say it sounds like a tax on people visiting NH and staying in motels and such. If it pays for public parks and such...it would almost seem justifiable. But State parks should be paid by the citizens of the State, not outsiders. But as I said, not really sure what the tax is or what it pays for. It would be a little suspect if it really was something meant to tax only visitors to the State.
    It is put in the general fund. NH has no state income or sales tax due to constitutional prohibition.

    As for NHs parks, A LOT of out-of-staters use NH parks. Tourism is a large industry in NH. Why SHOULDN'T out of staters contribute to paying for their upkeep?
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    With all this talk of the post office shutting down for a day due to mismanagment and the economy. We should expect the same level of service from government in healthcare.


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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    With all this talk of the post office shutting down for a day due to mismanagment and the economy. We should expect the same level of service from government in healthcare.


    Careful. Sometimes we get excactly what we ask for.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It is put in the general fund. NH has no state income or sales tax due to constitutional prohibition.

    As for NHs parks, A LOT of out-of-staters use NH parks. Tourism is a large industry in NH. Why SHOULDN'T out of staters contribute to paying for their upkeep?
    It would be different if you were accomplishing that through a room and meal tax and not through admissions into the park and fees for park services. Still, I'm not sure what the room and meal tax is, does it cover all apartments/rental properties/homes/motels/hotels/restaurants/bars/etc.?
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It would be different if you were accomplishing that through a room and meal tax and not through admissions into the park and fees for park services. Still, I'm not sure what the room and meal tax is, does it cover all apartments/rental properties/homes/motels/hotels/restaurants/bars/etc.?
    When I lived there (admitedly quite a while ago) it was an 8% tax on hotel/motel/resort rooms and meals at restaurants. I don't know about bars as I did not go to them very much (preferred going across the border to Quebec at that time).
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

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    And I'm all for taxing smokers, personally. Should one group have to suffer for no apparent reason? No, but there is a reason here and I'd consider it payback since smokers put pollutants into the air that we all breathe in, not just them. There's second-hand AND third-hand smoke that are quite dangerous and lowers life expectancy. Why should they be taxed for something that doesn't benefit them? Why should I have to breathe their polluted air?
    This is some of the worst logic I have ever heard. Everyone who drives a car is hurting our environment roughly 70 times as much... Let's tax everyone who drives a car, too.

    "The carbon produced by smoking a cigarette is quite small, even when multiplied over a large scale. So in this sense, smoking is very far from being a cause of climate change. Driving one mile in your car has the equivalent emissions of around 70-80 cigarettes (maybe a few less if you've got a Prius)."
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    This is some of the worst logic I have ever heard. Everyone who drives a car is hurting our environment roughly 70 times as much... Let's tax everyone who drives a car, too.

    "The carbon produced by smoking a cigarette is quite small, even when multiplied over a large scale. So in this sense, smoking is very far from being a cause of climate change. Driving one mile in your car has the equivalent emissions of around 70-80 cigarettes (maybe a few less if you've got a Prius)."
    How is that the "worst logic" you have ever heard? A car takes us from point A to point B, whether it be to work, to a hospital, to the grocery store to get food. A car is essentially a necessity. Cigarettes, however, are NOT (and don't give me this BS about how nicotine addiction makes cigarettes a necessity).

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