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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Children being educated benefits society as a whole.

    How does children being healthy benefit society as a whole? The idea that some childless smoker has to pay for someone who makes $50,000 a year kids' doctor's check ups is outrageous.

    Now would be a good time to write a book about growing your own tobacco.

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    I could see public funding for public healthcare... but to target smokers... I honestly don't effing get it.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's right. You heard it correctly. The Federal government is about to put a 61 cent tax on each pack of cigarettes in order to pay for the SCHIP program. Taxes will also be levied on cigars, smokeless tobacco, and all other tobacco products. This means that, if you are a smoker, or if you chew, the government is going to take more money out of your pocket and give it to someone else.

    Now Bush had his problems (a whole crapload of them), but at least he vetoed this theft of money from taxpayers last year after Congress passed it. But there is a new moneygrubber in town, and his name is Obama.

    Article is here.

    An excellent editorial about what SCHIP means for smokers is here
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    The Senate is taking up the bill right now, and if you are against the Federal government redistributing YOUR money to others, now is the time to let your Senator know that a vote for this bill means one less vote for him when he comes up for reelection.
    And I am supposed to feel sorry for people who put cancer sticks in their mouth and subject those around them, INCLUDING children, to the poison they emit?

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, if they want to fund it, they should levy the tax to everyone. Not target specific socially demonized groups to pay for other groups of people. If you're all for SCHIP, then you should be all for bucking up the money yourself to pay for it.
    So, are you then against ALL excise taxes?

    No more gasoline taxes?
    No more rooms/meals taxes?

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And I am supposed to feel sorry for people who put cancer sticks in their mouth and subject those around them, INCLUDING children, to the poison they emit?

    NOT!
    I suppose we should tax those who CHOOSE to buy soda in order to fund SCHIP instead. Don't bother consenting to it though, it doesnt matter.

    How about we tax fast food as well?
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    That's pretty much how I see it, too. Plus, hitting the pocketbook of smokers will likely reduce the amount of smokers, so it's all in the benefit of health.

    Here in Canada, smokes are almost $10.00 a pack. A lot of that is tax money that goes into our universal healthcare system.
    Taiwan just doubled cigarette taxes and passed stringent new anti-smoking regulations. It is already starting to have an effect. I know several business owners who have already reported INCREASED business because the majority of people who are non-smokers now feel they can take their families to areas they had reservations about before - even though two of those businesses had already banned smoking on their premisis.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Taiwan just doubled cigarette taxes and passed stringent new anti-smoking regulations. It is already starting to have an effect. I know several business owners who have already reported INCREASED business because the majority of people who are non-smokers now feel they can take their families to areas they had reservations about before - even though two of those businesses had already banned smoking on their premisis.
    In washington they placed a ban on smoking in resteraunts, bars, and lounges. 4 pubs and 2 small resteraunts shut down for lack of business.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    I suppose we should tax those who CHOOSE to buy soda in order to fund SCHIP instead. Don't bother consenting to it though, it doesnt matter.

    How about we tax fast food as well?
    Fine. Except that neither soda nor fast food emits a poison that those around the consumer also intake as well.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Fine. Except that neither soda nor fast food emits a poison that those around the consumer also intake as well.
    I've still yet to see anyone be harmed by 2nd hand smoke.



    And obviously you've never experienced a McDonalds fart.
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