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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    In 2000 as a part of the Republican platform Bush promised expanded health care via privatization......How has that worked out?
    How has it NOT worked? Are you going to quote the mythical 40,000,000 or whatever the number is today of people who do not have health care?

    By the way, where does that statistic come from? While you are at it, maybe you can explain how Government is a better solution to private managed healthcare and point to programs that Government manages efficiently?

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    So because something "primarily" destroys your health, you deserve to be taxed more? How are you coming to such an asinine conclusion?
    Where did I say that? I just said the analogy is weak.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Where did I say that? I just said the analogy is weak.
    How is the analogy weak? What evidence do you have to claim that second hand smoke in open air is any more dangerous?

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You do realize that a NHC program can allow you to pick from your current doctor or another no?
    That is not really the problem for me.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You do realize that stripping out insurance profits can subsantially reduce costs to you for the same medical benefits no? In some ways, NHC can eliminate the middle man in the same fashion that Dell eliminated the middle man.
    It will replace the insurance middleman with the government middleman.

    Cost is not always a reason to do something. Quality and time to get service are other considerations.

    I leave you with what I think is a nugget of truth most don't think about.

    People who use the most common type of insurance. Where you pay a co pay and you are shielded from the true expense of the fees the Dr. charges.

    Most people are users of health care and not consumers because they are shielded from price. The only market competition is between doctors and insurance companies. Where as the competition should exist between doctors and doctors.

    You rarely ever see a list of services and prices at a doctors office. I have never seen it myself. Since people do not decide on finding the cheaper doctor with the best quality there is no true competition to lower prices.

    Health Insurance should be similar to car insurance. For emergencies only.
    I checked a while back to see if I could find surgical only policies that used to be marketed about 5-8 years ago but I couldn't find any.

    My main point is that if people payed out of pocket for most health care expenses it would start the real price competition and lower overall prices in effect.

    In NHC systems time to services rendered is generally a lot longer and in a health care scenario that is bad don't you think?


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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    First off, the entire "shorter lives equals less total medicaid/SS costs" is complete bunk bull****. In fact, it is so completely full of ****, that i cannot believe any libertarian would offer it as an argument premise.

    I do not even have to site a source to state that smokers under the age of 50 are much more likely to develop terminal tobacco related illness. You see, its not the old folks who die from TRI that concerns me, its younger generations. For every tax payer who dies of TRI under the age of 52, that directly decreases the total potential tax base, otherwise known as our governments possible income. Yet this is not really what gripes me....

    Those under the age of 62, who are not on government aid and do contribute to society might need to have medical care. Is someone going to call foul when i say: under 62 citizens who develop cancer due to TRI, pay taxes and have their own health care increase the overall cost of health care?

    Combine the loss of production with the increased cost of medical care, and there is a serious problem. Hell, there are probably lists of people under the age of 62, who receive government medical aid and are being treated for TRI, all while not paying into the system, or producing in society.

    Taxes are bad, yes i know this. Cancer is worse. But hey, that's just my own biased opinion.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    First off, the entire "shorter lives equals less total medicaid/SS costs" is complete bunk bull****. In fact, it is so completely full of ****, that i cannot believe any libertarian would offer it as an argument premise.
    It would be really nice if you would quote my thread when addressing what I had said.

    your entire premise is centered around the theme that it is costing government money when people die young.

    As a libertarian, I find this idea hilarious. You just changed the argument from how much government funds are wasted because of smoking to how much potential revenue is lost. A libertarian that looks at a person as nothing short of a work mule, get a ****ing clue! Maybe we should apply a heavy sin tax to those that retire young as well...it's the same reasoning behind it and equally nonlibertarian.

    I'm at a loss for words at how moronic your stance is.

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    same is true if you choose to operate a motor vehicle.
    1. Motor vehicles serve a vital economic purpose.
    2. The government CAN and DOES regulate their use and the emmissions of said vehicles.
    3. I rarely use a motor vehicle. I am a cycle commuter.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    False, I don't smoke around other people.

    Try again.
    1. You ARE destroying your own health.
    2. You ALWAYS smoke alone? I don't believe that, and even if true, you are an EXTREME rarity.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    You should have read, I'm pissed because some fat lady is causing increases in my premiums because she chooses to do NOTHING about being fat.

    Come on, missypea. I'm insulted.
    At least you don't live in a socialistic system where your insurance premium is based on your INCOME and not your HEALTH FACTORS like I do.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    This legislation punishes smokers that don't smoke around people (i.e. just in their homes), but it addresses the health needs of people that may be harmed by a far greater majority of public smokers.
    Do those smokers have anyone else living in their homes?
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