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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Taking other people's money and using for something they may not advocate. Why would that be a good thing?
    You speak volumes....

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    That's pretty much how I see it, too. Plus, hitting the pocketbook of smokers will likely reduce the amount of smokers, so it's all in the benefit of health.

    Here in Canada, smokes are almost $10.00 a pack. A lot of that is tax money that goes into our universal healthcare system.
    I`ll bet you and American woman are in favor of the ,"Fart Tax", on cows and other ,already taxed, food sources. I`m not trying to be funny here...,the Fart Tax is a very real bill proposed by some psychotic rep with the EPA. Cigs are already taxed...ATF gets a cut,the mfgrs of the paper pays a tax,the states throw in their sales tax,the farmer who grows the tobacco (I`m sure) pays layers and layers of taxes. Tax and spend governments and societies have more people liveing on the streets than do more responsible societies. Taxes are another of the many domains of the our MONEY WHOREING society. I think thats realy whats pissin people off here. TAX and SPEND...Big Brother and the Control Freaks Company...new leed singer, Barry Husein Obamma

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    You should have read, I'm pissed because some fat lady is causing increases in my premiums because she chooses to do NOTHING about being fat.

    Come on, missypea. I'm insulted.
    Insulting you was never my intention, Aps. I see what you meant is different from what I read.

    I'm curious if you really know this woman or not. If you're on intimate terms with her and someone she trusts to confide in then your story about her doing nothing to get healthier is probably true.

    I'm curious because of people I work with who think they know me. Some would say they know me well but only one person (at work) truly does.

    We all tell ourselves stories to make things make sense. I'm just wondering if this is your story or her story.

    Is she fat because she chooses to do nothing about her weight?
    Does she struggle with a medical condition that you're unaware of?
    Does she lack the tools to make changes in her life?



    I would chat with her when I'm feeling particularly snarky, but I wouldn't ever call her on the phone.

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's right. You heard it correctly. The Federal government is about to put a 61 cent tax on each pack of cigarettes in order to pay for the SCHIP program. Taxes will also be levied on cigars, smokeless tobacco, and all other tobacco products. This means that, if you are a smoker, or if you chew, the government is going to take more money out of your pocket and give it to someone else.

    Now Bush had his problems (a whole crapload of them), but at least he vetoed this theft of money from taxpayers last year after Congress passed it. But there is a new moneygrubber in town, and his name is Obama.

    The Senate is taking up the bill right now, and if you are against the Federal government redistributing YOUR money to others, now is the time to let your Senator know that a vote for this bill means one less vote for him when he comes up for reelection.
    This is merely the tip of the Obama iceberg that will make Americans wish for the Bush years.

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    That's pretty much how I see it, too. Plus, hitting the pocketbook of smokers will likely reduce the amount of smokers, so it's all in the benefit of health.

    Here in Canada, smokes are almost $10.00 a pack. A lot of that is tax money that goes into our universal healthcare system.
    I wonder what happens when everyone stops smoking and they don't have that revenue; I guess they will have to start taxing fattening foods because that is evil too.

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    You are right, as a non smoker, I wouldn't foot the bill. I wouldn't mind though another tax that would be equal to all.


    I mean who doesn't want health care for children?
    But it begs the question; why do people think that the Government is the only solution for healthcare for children?

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I don't have kids. Why should I have to pay for other people's kids getting educated?
    You shouldn't have to; welcome to the commune comrade.

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    But it begs the question; why do people think that the Government is the only solution for healthcare for children?
    In 2000 as a part of the Republican platform Bush promised expanded health care via privatization......How has that worked out?

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's right. You heard it correctly. The Federal government is about to put a 61 cent tax on each pack of cigarettes in order to pay for the SCHIP program. Taxes will also be levied on cigars, smokeless tobacco, and all other tobacco products. This means that, if you are a smoker, or if you chew, the government is going to take more money out of your pocket and give it to someone else.

    Now Bush had his problems (a whole crapload of them), but at least he vetoed this theft of money from taxpayers last year after Congress passed it. But there is a new moneygrubber in town, and his name is Obama.

    Article is here.

    An excellent editorial about what SCHIP means for smokers is here
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    The Senate is taking up the bill right now, and if you are against the Federal government redistributing YOUR money to others, now is the time to let your Senator know that a vote for this bill means one less vote for him when he comes up for reelection.
    Personally I think the high tax on cigarettes is absurd as hell to begin with. Rather than putting a restriction on some of the deadly chemicals that cigarettes contain (Canada did this I believe) the government just taxes it, which means that they just want a piece of the pie. The tobacco companies are blatantly poisoning people and rather than doing the right thing our government just puts on a high tax and is essentially complicit. They could give a rats ass about what cigarettes contain and what those chemicals do to people.

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not really. Motor Vehicles are not designed primarily to destroy one's health and the health of others. Furthermore, electric and hybrids have far less emissions.
    So because something "primarily" destroys your health, you deserve to be taxed more? How are you coming to such an asinine conclusion?
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