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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by rudedog View Post
    I think we should tax the air we breath seeings how we all need it,that way we all get taxed.Oh Boy! more taxes.
    And as for nationalized health care pleeeeeease!
    The federal government can't run itself, much less another dept.
    Do you think that our politicians will use the same health care system???
    What are you going to say, when they tell all females able to have kids,that are unmarried,they must take mandatory birth control ,because they are bankrupting the system.
    The more you give up now.The more they will take from you later.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I pay a crapload of taxes for schools and I don't have kids. I don't complain, because it's in the benefit of society as a whole.
    you didn't pay a dime for school when you used the service.

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    While i am not a proponent of taxation for behavioral changes, at the very least tobacco should be taxed for the health care burden it presents to the federal government every year.

    I was unwilling to read through all of the 18 pages on this thread, but i am interested to know the % of people who die due to tobacco related illness receiving government medical aid.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    While i am not a proponent of taxation for behavioral changes, at the very least tobacco should be taxed for the health care burden it presents to the federal government every year.

    I was unwilling to read through all of the 18 pages on this thread, but i am interested to know the % of people who die due to tobacco related illness receiving government medical aid.
    I would love to see a study proving the cost of tobacco. Seems to me the shortened life span significantly reduces the cost to government. Add in the life time of additional taxes paid by those that provide their own health care costs, and I can't help but wonder if the truth is far different then what we are led to believe.

    Cutting down on food & smoke does not save your money! - The Financial Express
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Trying to engage emotional babies in a logical context is an act of circular futility. They do not like something, therefore it is alright to demonize and attack the object of their infantile scorn. Like babies, they are incapable of dealing with their problems without the assistance of some third party; mature conflict resolution is out of the question and any attempts to bring about a sensible and logical dialogue will merely confuse and bewilder them, resulting in yet more emotional outbursts and soiled diapers.

    Being upset is enough in and of itself to justify their infringement upon other individual's rights. In an attempt to delude themselves into believing they are right they will proffer a panoply of logical fallacies, red herrings, and appeals to emotion, but this type of behavior is to be expected from infants. However, when something they like is demonized and targeted by other equally stupid and emotional babies they will immediately resent this egregious violation of their individual sovereignty and demand justice be done with alacrity and expediency.

    This is the modus operandi of babies. Learn and learn it well...our country is full of them.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I would love to see a study proving the cost of tobacco. Seems to me the shortened life span significantly reduces the cost to government. Add in the life time of additional taxes paid by those that provide their own health care costs, and I can't help but wonder if the truth is far different then what we are led to believe.

    Cutting down on food & smoke does not save your money! - The Financial Express
    So you acknowledge that smoking harms smokers and other people that breathe in that smoke? Yet you say that the cost of lung cancer is negligible?

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    So you acknowledge that smoking harms smokers and other people that breathe in that smoke? Yet you say that the cost of lung cancer is negligible?
    Who cares? The issue is people being taxed and having their money go to things they may or may not support.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    So you acknowledge that smoking harms smokers and other people that breathe in that smoke? Yet you say that the cost of lung cancer is negligible?
    Yes, the cost to government is likely negligible and possibly even a positive.

    The very first sentence from the article I linked: Preventing obesity and smoking can save lives, but it doesn’t save money

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    *yawn* Insult me all you want. I have no shame in how I feel about smoking and smokers, and I am reveling in all the no-smoking laws that are getting passed around the United States. Do you think all these people making the laws are uncalm, irrational, and illogical adults?

    You're the one that is furious about these laws being passed. So why you think you're calm, rational, and logical is beyond me. You're blinded by your anger. Pot, meet kettle.
    We all know that smokers occupy the lowest rung of humanity. Give them all a room to smoke in so they can kill each other. The human race will be better for eliminating their stupidity from the gene pool.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If it doesn't hurt me I don't care. Good I don't use that product, let them tax the hell out of it. Disgusting, you don't mind giving away other people's freedoms. Be careful what you don't care about, you might get it.
    But it is ok for smokers to violate the freedoms of nonsmokers by polluting the air around them with poison.
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