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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    We're not going to see eye to eye on this issue of smoking. I think it's a disgusting habit. I hate the smell of it. I choose to NOT go to places that allow smoking. I resent the number of cigarette butts outside my office building and outside every entrance/exit of the subway system (since smoking isn't allowed in any subway station), and in my own neighborhood. When I do a trash pick-up in my neighborhood, the majority of that trash is cigarette butts. That pisses me off. I hate how the majority of smokers seem to think that the earth is their ashtray. I can't remember the last time I saw someone who was entering the subway system put out their butt and put it in the trash. Every one of them just throws it on the ground. I hate litterers, and I feel that way about someone who throws any sort of trash on the ground.
    I could care less how you feel about smokers. I dislike the majority of women, doesnt mean there aren't a few that don't meet me "**** you" criteria. And I definitely wouldnt be okay with straight up taxing them because I dislike them either.

    It's very interesting that you think everyone is going to start buying cigarettes through Indian reservations. Do they have a website where one can order them? If they do, I suspect that if I order a pack from an Indian reservation in Arizona, I'm going to have to pay Virginia taxes since I live in Virginia.
    I didnt say everyone, but definitely gives anyone with access to the reservations a reason to start buying there.

    Think about this for a sec. Right across the street I can buy a carton of Marlobor Light 100's. The carton costs roughly $50.00. Now with this tax going into place it's going to be what 60 cents more per pack? (Some have been saying it may go up over a dollar per pack) there are 10 packs in a carton, that's 6 bucks more.

    On the indian reservation about 20 minutes away, I can buy that same carton for $24.99. No taxes, no bull****.

    Now, to justify the gas, I could buy two cartons for the price of one (walking) across the street.

    NONE of the money I just spent is going back into state, or federal finances.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I took Constitutional law a looooong time ago, but if my memory serves me correctly, the tax has to have some sort of relevance to the purpose of the tax. For example, if we need to build roads, it's appropriate to tax gasoline for that expense. Why choosing the habit of smoking for health care--I dunno. Was it you that suggested over-the-counter medication? I would support a tax on that.
    Obesity consumes more health care dollars now than smoking does. In CA I heard the tab is 7.7 billion.

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Are you serious? Then don't smoke! Problem solved.
    Are YOU serious? Then don't drive, problem solved.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I took Constitutional law a looooong time ago, but if my memory serves me correctly, the tax has to have some sort of relevance to the purpose of the tax. For example, if we need to build roads, it's appropriate to tax gasoline for that expense. Why choosing the habit of smoking for health care--I dunno. Was it you that suggested over-the-counter medication? I would support a tax on that.
    If that's true then they could link ANYTHING to health care. Especially gasoline.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Obesity consumes more health care dollars now than smoking does. In CA I heard the tab is 7.7 billion.
    Stop using rational thinking and logic it confuses the emotional non thinkers.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Are YOU serious? Then don't drive, problem solved.
    Why can't I drive? My driving leads to increased productivity within my work environment and helps me provide for an income as well as potentially care for my children and helps give me the ability to bring home in a timely manner. What does smoking do?

    If nobody drove (or used any means of fast transportation) then this world would go back to the agricultural era. We couldn't provide crops to people across the world, we couldn't provide goods for people thirty minutes away. Detroit would be worthless (not like it's doing so well right now anyway...).

    If nobody smoked, then big whoop. Tobacco companies are gone. So what? They provide a "good" for a subset of people that is not important in anything except for perhaps temporary relief and maybe some socialization.

    EDIT: Oh, and btw, I was accused of having some of the worst logic on this board when this guy is equating the value of driving and smoking.

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Stop using rational thinking and logic it confuses the emotional non thinkers.
    What rational thinking/logic? Doesn't mean smoking isn't still a big problem.

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Why can't I drive? My driving leads to increased productivity within my work environment and helps me provide for an income as well as potentially care for my children and helps give me the ability to bring home in a timely manner. What does smoking do?

    If nobody drove (or used any means of fast transportation) then this world would go back to the agricultural era. We couldn't provide crops to people across the world, we couldn't provide goods for people thirty minutes away. Detroit would be worthless (not like it's doing so well right now anyway...).

    If nobody smoked, then big whoop. Tobacco companies are gone. So what? They provide a "good" for a subset of people that is not important in anything except for perhaps temporary relief and maybe some socialization.

    EDIT: Oh, and btw, I was accused of having some of the worst logic on this board when this guy is equating the value of driving and smoking.
    Go back through this topic and see the detrimental properties of driving vs smoking.

    IF you REALLY want to get into it I'm sure we could accomodate you

    Point being, you can drive, I can smoke. We both make those choices, you seem to think that your choice is more important.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    We're not going to see eye to eye on this issue of smoking. I think it's a disgusting habit. I hate the smell of it. I choose to NOT go to places that allow smoking.
    No, you choose to enable government to infringe upon property rights and forbid private property owners from being able to choose for themselves whether or not they want to allow smoking on their property. If you did as you claim, there would be no problem. But you definitely do not, you support the expansion of government over the rights of the individual so that you don't have to make the choice of not going places that allow smoking. You prevent the choice of allowing smoking.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    What rational thinking/logic? Doesn't mean smoking isn't still a big problem.
    They are taxing something that is popular to demonize. Yet being a fat ass is moving to the arena of civil right/something you can't control.

    Ever hear about people getting angry because an airline makes them buy two seats. I think some have sued over it to. Fat people are more numerous, have more varied health problems which most likely cost more money to everyone who isn't.

    Why tax smoking when fat people cost more money to take care of?

    Why tax smoking when parents who have children they can't support costs the rest of us more money?

    This is retarded and SCHIP is a gateway bill to Nationalized Health care.
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