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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    How is that the "worst logic" you have ever heard? A car takes us from point A to point B, whether it be to work, to a hospital, to the grocery store to get food. A car is essentially a necessity. Cigarettes, however, are NOT (and don't give me this BS about how nicotine addiction makes cigarettes a necessity).
    Yeah but lots of poor folks smoke. What they ought to do is put a luxury tax on expensive stuff that rich folks do. If they're gonna steal money to help the poor they ought at least steal it from the rich. They should put these taxes on spas, country clubs, premier hair salons, golf courses. **** that only rich people do. At least that would make some sense. You don't want to teach people that smoking is good ie charitable. Getz them thinking, "Well if I quit smoking who will care for the wee children?"

    But if the tax were on say golf then Crippler could say to his wife, "I must golf to save the children." And she could reply, "Well I'll be at the spa because I'm charitable like that. "

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post

    But if the tax were on say golf then Crippler could say to his wife, "I must golf to save the children." And she could reply, "Well I'll be at the spa because I'm charitable like that. "
    But I'm not rich. So I guess the wife will have to give up her spa days.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Yeah but lots of poor folks smoke. What they ought to do is put a luxury tax on expensive stuff that rich folks do. If they're gonna steal money to help the poor they ought at least steal it from the rich. They should put these taxes on spas, country clubs, premier hair salons, golf courses. **** that only rich people do. At least that would make some sense. You don't want to teach people that smoking is good ie charitable. Getz them thinking, "Well if I quit smoking who will care for the wee children?"

    But if the tax were on say golf then Crippler could say to his wife, "I must golf to save the children." And she could reply, "Well I'll be at the spa because I'm charitable like that. "
    That was sarcasm, right?
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's right. You heard it correctly. The Federal government is about to put a 61 cent tax on each pack of cigarettes in order to pay for the SCHIP program. Taxes will also be levied on cigars, smokeless tobacco, and all other tobacco products. This means that, if you are a smoker, or if you chew, the government is going to take more money out of your pocket and give it to someone else.
    I don't agree with this move by the House at all. Smokers shouldn't be taxed for this cause.

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    Now Bush had his problems (a whole crapload of them), but at least he vetoed this theft of money from taxpayers last year after Congress passed it. But there is a new moneygrubber in town, and his name is Obama.
    What does Obama have to do with the House of Reps passing a bill? Is it Obama's bill?
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What does Obama have to do with the House of Reps passing a bill? Is it Obama's bill?
    I believe he is saying that Obama will not veto this bill once it reaches his desk.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I believe he is saying that Obama will not veto this bill once it reaches his desk.
    Well then danarhea needs to use his powers for foresight for good and tell me the winning numbers on this upcoming weeks Super Lotto.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You are living in a pipe dream if you think Tobacco taxes are going to be paying for the SCHIP program. Because when you tax the fuck out of something people are going to either going to stop smoking(which is a good thing but not for the program it is funding) or they are going to smoke less(which is a good thing but not for the program it is funding) or they are going to find other sources(grow their own, buy on tribal land, mail order and etc) all three which will reduce revenue for the SCHIP program.I am pretty sure they had to use to some projections of what they may get in revenue in order to make the tax seem like a good idea in the first place, however since they were just trying to increase funding for a program I am also sure those tax revenue projections didn't take into account of people quitting,people smoking less or going to other sources for tobacco. We are going to be stuck with a program increase that is going to cost everyone.

    Our population is increasing and medical care is rising in cost so that means more money will be needed to fund those programs. Do you think that when tobacco products are not producing the desired tax revenue revenue needed to fund the SCHIP bill increase that those in office are going to go "Oh crap! we do not have enough money lets cancel the programor reduce cost"? No they are not going to do that, they are going to argue that we need the program and they are going to find other **** to increase taxes on to make up the difference.
    I will address this post and then the other one which attacks my argument or whatever. First, if less people smoke, then medical costs would lower overall as hospitals would not have to deal with the common (numerous) problems dealing with smoking. This would happen across a large number of people since many many people are affected by smoking whether it is the smoker him or herself or children living in a house full of smokers, or something to that effect. There will never be a shortage of smokers. Ciggs are successful for a reason. We've basically told the public that there's rat poison, antifreeze, and many other things contained in each ciggarette- I don't see a massive shortage of smokers in the nation. Ciggs are addictive; they will not be going anywhere. And as you said, the population is constantly increasing. Even if percentage wise, the numbers go down every year, total dollars coming in every year could increase.

    As for the "worst argument ever" or whatever. Dude, if you want to get fired from work for traveling a 30 mile commute on a bicycle, then sure it's a viable option. I really would rather spend some of the hours that I'm not working a full time job either A) sleeping or B) relaxing, preferably both. Also, I'm sure when I go to the store and pick up all of my groceries, my bicycle will be able to handle multiple shopping bags of milk, poultry, eggs, etc. without falling over or harming my groceries.

    There is nothing besides peer pressure that forces someone to smoke; if you don't drive places, 9 times out of 10, you just can't function properly in society. I mean, I attend college and so yeah technically I could get away with walking wherever I want to because I live in a small town. Could I do that in LA? Detroit? Orlando? Maybe, but probably not. But hey, why change the subject. Do ciggs contribute to the pollution of the air? Are they necessary?

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post

    As for the "worst argument ever" or whatever. Dude, if you want to get fired from work for traveling a 30 mile commute on a bicycle, then sure it's a viable option. I really would rather spend some of the hours that I'm not working a full time job either A) sleeping or B) relaxing, preferably both. Also, I'm sure when I go to the store and pick up all of my groceries, my bicycle will be able to handle multiple shopping bags of milk, poultry, eggs, etc. without falling over or harming my groceries.
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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Yeah but lots of poor folks smoke. What they ought to do is put a luxury tax on expensive stuff that rich folks do. If they're gonna steal money to help the poor they ought at least steal it from the rich. They should put these taxes on spas, country clubs, premier hair salons, golf courses. **** that only rich people do. At least that would make some sense. You don't want to teach people that smoking is good ie charitable. Getz them thinking, "Well if I quit smoking who will care for the wee children?"

    But if the tax were on say golf then Crippler could say to his wife, "I must golf to save the children." And she could reply, "Well I'll be at the spa because I'm charitable like that. "
    These poor folks could save lots of money if they stopped smoking. Wow. What a concept.

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    Re: House Passes 2009 SCHIP Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    These poor folks could save lots of money if they stopped smoking. Wow. What a concept.
    These poor folks could save lots of money if they stopped _________ . Wow. What a concept.

    Would YOU be okay with this bill taxing fast food sales, soda, over the counter medicine, or anything of the sort?

    If a cigarette company wanted to add on to the costs of their product in order to donate to ________ I would be fine with that. But the government deciding on a product to tax heavier in order to support _________ bugs the **** out of me.

    As a side note, these poor folks will be saving money when they buy their cigarettes on indian reservations instead of buying them at the local gas station or grocery store.

    Then where is the funding going to come from?
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