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    Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

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    As this soldier was interviewed and that interview was shown on Georgian TV, additionally he asked for asylum, it is difficult to see how Russia could demand his return.
    Conditions within the Russian army (which basically consists of National service conscripts) are such that no sensible person would ever volunteer for.

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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    As this soldier was interviewed and that interview was shown on Georgian TV, additionally he asked for asylum, it is difficult to see how Russia could demand his return.
    Conditions within the Russian army (which basically consists of National service conscripts) are such that no sensible person would ever volunteer for.
    Look for another Russian pretext to attack Georgia. They are also working on pretexts to invade Ukraine as well.
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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Look for another Russian pretext to attack Georgia. They are also working on pretexts to invade Ukraine as well.
    Look for another Russian pretext to attack Georgia.

    Sure, and Georgia has proven to be all rosy and gentle. Russia has the right to attack Georgia if it does not receive a proof that the guy was not kidnapped. Russia has a right to demand free and just trial for violation of Russian laws and evidence that the guy was not mistreated in the Russian military, that the Russian military broke Russian laws in his case. A political asylum is given by the US if defectors have a proof of persecution due to political reasons or due to other violation of Human rights. It does not give an asylum if one claims that he was persecuted but cannot substantiate the claims.


    Sure, and Ukraine has proven to be all rosy and gentle. Sure, Russian worked pretext and then invaded peaceful Georgia in August. You are full of.

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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    As this soldier was interviewed and that interview was shown on Georgian TV, additionally he asked for asylum, it is difficult to see how Russia could demand his return.

    The ground for demand is, - he violated Russian law. Russia has the right to demand a proof that it was his free will.

    YouTube - Georgia kidnapped Russian soldier

    It is another Russian soldier voluntarily denouncing Russian Army and Government in Georgia:

    YouTube - ruski soldatik, putin i medvedev chmo

    As the matter of fact it is absolutely unreasonable to believe that a DEMBEL and a Sergeant of Russian army would defect to Georgia and he would complain about conditions in Russian Army. It is absolutely unexpectable from a DEMBEL or/and Sergeant. The only case may be if he committed a crime in Russia and had no other way to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Conditions within the Russian army (which basically consists of National service conscripts) are such that no sensible person would ever volunteer for.
    Russian Army still mostly drafts – 18 years olds, who are not capable to give bribes and do not have connections and are not University students. A reform is planned and to make it all like in the US, - contract service. Some units now are mostly - as Tashah calls them kontraktnici, all alcogolics and serial killers. She does not know that Kontraktniki = CONTRACTniki.

    This particular part of Russian military- VDV- is in large part volunteers, CONTRACTniki.
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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    Jujuman13,

    I am not so sure that the soldier deserted, and will look for further details on the situation.

    First, the BBC reported, "In a televised interview filmed by the Georgian army, Alexander Glukhov said he decided to seek asylum in Georgia because he was fed up with poor conditions in the Russian army." Unless an outside organization e.g., the International Red Cross speaks with the soldier, it is entirely possible that the soldier was under undue influence or duress in the interview conducted by the Georgian Army.

    Second, RIA Novosti news agency reported on January 28, "Konashenkov "[Col Igor Konashenkov] stressed that the command of the military unit had no complaints against junior sergeant Glukhov, during the whole period of service he conscientiously performed his duties and never committed any violations of the law or crimes. The junior sergeant served more than a year and was due to be discharged from service in four months." If. Col. Konashenkov is correct that Glukhov's discharge was imminent, it makes little sense that he would suddenly seek to desert when his service is about to end.

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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Jujuman13,

    I am not so sure that the soldier deserted, and will look for further details on the situation.

    First, the BBC reported, "In a televised interview filmed by the Georgian army, Alexander Glukhov said he decided to seek asylum in Georgia because he was fed up with poor conditions in the Russian army." Unless an outside organization e.g., the International Red Cross speaks with the soldier, it is entirely possible that the soldier was under undue influence or duress in the interview conducted by the Georgian Army.

    Second, RIA Novosti news agency reported on January 28, "Konashenkov "[Col Igor Konashenkov] stressed that the command of the military unit had no complaints against junior sergeant Glukhov, during the whole period of service he conscientiously performed his duties and never committed any violations of the law or crimes. The junior sergeant served more than a year and was due to be discharged from service in four months." If. Col. Konashenkov is correct that Glukhov's discharge was imminent, it makes little sense that he would suddenly seek to desert when his service is about to end.
    DEMBEL is from - DEMoBiLisation, or disharge. Those who have less than 6 months to go and have a rank - junior sergeant is the 3rd (out of 5 available) from the bottom, - enjoy a lot of priviligies and liberties if to compare with the rest (while first months are really hard to go through for a many).

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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    Sure, and Georgia has proven to be all rosy and gentle. Russia has the right to attack Georgia if it does not receive a proof that the guy was not kidnapped. Russia has a right to demand free and just trial for violation of Russian laws and evidence that the guy was not mistreated in the Russian military, that the Russian military broke Russian laws in his case. A political asylum is given by the US if defectors have a proof of persecution due to political reasons or due to other violation of Human rights. It does not give an asylum if one claims that he was persecuted but cannot substantiate the claims.
    As I said, looking for a pretext. That is NOT a right to attack. Russia invaded Georgia in the first place. They had NO right to do that.


    Sure, and Ukraine has proven to be all rosy and gentle. Sure, Russian worked pretext and then invaded peaceful Georgia in August. You are full of.
    Ukraine supported Georgia in the war and has told Russia that it wants RUssian forces out of the Crimea by the end of the current deal in 2017.

    Russian troops have been in Georgian territory for more than a decade, precipitated a conflict which led to Russian recoginition of two break-away regions which will lead to eventual annexation.
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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    A bunch of lies as usual, not even worth of reply.

    carry on.

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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    A bunch of lies as usual, not even worth of reply.

    carry on.


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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Look for another Russian pretext to attack Georgia. They are also working on pretexts to invade Ukraine as well.
    It's not necessarily a pretext. How would you feel if another nation captured a US soldier, who was then interviewed on television and claimed he wished to defect? Wouldn't that raise any red flags that maybe this wasn't voluntary?
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