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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It's not necessarily a pretext. How would you feel if another nation captured a US soldier, who was then interviewed on television and claimed he wished to defect? Wouldn't that raise any red flags that maybe this wasn't voluntary?
    I want more information first. I would have to say there is far more reason to desert the Russian Army than the U.S. Army.

    Russia still maintains a presence on Georgian soil and has recognized the independence of two regions within the internationally recognized boundaries of Georgia. Russia does not exactly have a lot of credibility.

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    Georgian officials countered that the soldier had asked for asylum due to "unbearable conditions" in the Russian army and even took him to the central Tbilisi branch of fast food chain McDonalds.
    He said Glukhov was a conscript performing his compulsory military service.
    An AFP correspondent later found Glukhov tucking into supper in a branch of McDonalds on Tbilisi's main avenue, accompanied by minders from the Georgian interior ministry.

    Glukhov told several media correspondents who had been tipped off over his presence in the restaurant that he had neither been captured or mistreated.

    "Nobody took me," said Glukhov, adding he was unaware of the reports from Moscow that he had been captured. "I want to go back to Russia but not to the army."
    Unless you are going to claim AFP is part of the Georgian propoganda ministry, I would say the ball's in your court (appropriate as I am watching the Aussie Open right now)
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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I want more information first. I would have to say there is far more reason to desert the Russian Army than the U.S. Army.
    There are reasons to desert the Russian Army... to defect to Georgia... for this DEMBEL and Seargant...

    One should beleive that he was so fed with conditions in the Russian Army that he decided to change them for the status of a deserter and nobody in Georgia, for a lot worse conditions?

    Again you demonstrate total lack of minimal logic.

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    I love Russian apologists. You can't answer a point, you ignore it. You don't know what customary international law is - you obfuscate it. You are as much fun as a recently departed Sino-pologist.
    I love absurd apologists. You cannot make any point except blank lies and you have an absurd idea that they are worth of a reply. You don’t even know what is common sense and logic, and you are no fun, as you have time on hand to type lies and keep on going for years.

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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It's not necessarily a pretext. How would you feel if another nation captured a US soldier, who was then interviewed on television and claimed he wished to defect? Wouldn't that raise any red flags that maybe this wasn't voluntary?
    In his understanding of international laws you cannot apply the same standard to Russia, - Russia has no rights and Russian people have no feelings, he calls it ‘’customary international law’’. In his ‘’customary international law’’ laws Russia has to prove to Georgia and to the international community that the soldier was not kidnapped, that the balls are in Russian court. For him the US has rights when Russia does not, don't even try he has 2 degrees in social science.

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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    There are reasons to desert the Russian Army... to defect to Georgia... for this DEMBEL and Seargant...

    One should beleive that he was so fed with conditions in the Russian Army that he decided to change them for the status of a deserter and nobody in Georgia, for a lot worse conditions?

    Again you demonstrate total lack of minimal logic.

    I love absurd apologists. You cannot make any point except blank lies and you have an absurd idea that they are worth of a reply. You don’t even know what is common sense and logic, and you are no fun, as you have time on hand to type lies and keep on going for years.
    I love how you actually ignore the quotes of the soldier as reported in the AFP. Now, is AFP part of the Georgian propoganda department? Or are you just so embarassed that the very words of the soldier who left contradicts everything you are saying.

    ALso, you once again display a total lack of even minimal principles of international law and its sources.
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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    In his understanding of international laws you cannot apply the same standard to Russia, - Russia has no rights and Russian people have no feelings, he calls it ‘’customary international law’’. In his ‘’customary international law’’ laws Russia has to prove to Georgia and to the international community that the soldier was not kidnapped, that the balls are in Russian court. For him the US has rights when Russia does not, don't even try he has 2 degrees in social science.
    You have no idea about international law.

    What is customary international law? Do you even know?

    The soldier in his own words has stated that he wanted to leave, unless you think the AFP reporter is lying and can provide some evidence for such behavior from a respected news organization.
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    Re: Georgia 'seizes Russian soldier'

    ''An AFP correspondent later found Glukhov tucking into supper in a branch of McDonalds on Tbilisi's main avenue, accompanied by minders from the Georgian interior ministry.''


    You can hear the minders from the Georgian interior ministry on the background.
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