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    Re: Democrats Launch Petition Against Rush Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Are you kidding me? The man says outrageous things and it gets him ratings. It's for the exact same reason that Ann Coulter says outrageous things. Of course, I wouldn't expect someone like you (who foolishly agrees with the stuff that the man says) to give me a reasoned and unbiased view on Limbaugh.
    Of course, you would say the same of Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddox. No? (Really asking)
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    You guys are weird.

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    Re: Democrats Launch Petition Against Rush Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Are you calling me Jesus?

    I still don't see a difference. A loser (including MoveOn) says something negative about someone. Who the f*** cares?
    It all depends on where you sit aps.

    You can make justification for anything if you really have the mindset.

    Neither situation needed the attention of our elected officials.


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    Yeah, I know about Boxer's amendment and Cornyn's amendment.

    Like I said to aps...

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    Re: Democrats Launch Petition Against Rush Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Of course, you would say the same of Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddox. No? (Really asking)
    lol... people take Keith Olbermann seriously?

    YouTube - Keith Olbermann responds to Affleck's SNL Spoof of Countdown
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    Don't apologize to me over that silly ****. I could care less if I can see the dust or not.
    Now apologize for apologizing!

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    Re: Democrats Launch Petition Against Rush Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post

    Certainly not I, but that Affleck spoof was SNL Gold.
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    You guys are weird.

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    Re: Democrats Launch Petition Against Rush Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Certainly not I, but that Affleck spoof was SNL Gold.
    You should see the Coulter one they did recently. Effing perfect lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Don't apologize to me over that silly ****. I could care less if I can see the dust or not.
    Now apologize for apologizing!

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    Re: Democrats Launch Petition Against Rush Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, an ad hom would be you saying a bunch of things, and me saying "No, you're wrong, you're stupid". That's not what I did. An Ad hom is debating the person specifically and not touching the actual argument. Referencing the persons views, political mindset, and history to explain the conclussiosn and arguments you're making is not an ad hom.

    I stated that I knew for a FACT that one of those things you posted was completely out of context and not a true representation of Limbaugh's feeling as professed on his radio show.

    Now, the FACT that one of the things you provide as being true thoughts and beliefs of Limbaugh was completely out of context and untrue along with the opinion of my own that you routinely demonstrate an extreme left wing slant and willingness to believe left wing propoganda, lead me to the statements and beliefs that the rest of those are likely ALSO out of context. The FACT that you provided ZERO sources to reference those statements in any form of context addded to my doubt of their validity. I combined all those to express my belief that they are poor, if not completely inaccurate, representations of Limbaughs stances.



    No, its your opinion they're his beliefs. Give me sources for them. Give me show date and time so I can go see them in context. They're single snippets of lines from a 3 hour show done over 200 days a year for over a decade worth of time complete with no context and nothing to even validate them as being true words from his mouth.

    As you said, Rush users hyperbole...which is intentional exaggeration of a situation or a view to try and make a point. I know that one of the things you posted WAS hyperbole, yet you're trying to present it as a legitimate opinion and belief of his. Therefore it shows me that you're intentionally being either dishonest in this or intentionally being lazy in actually wanting to provide context and actual proof to the claims you've made about what he's said and the seriousness of those statements.
    Ok, so I was wrong about one, out of many. (I'll take your word for it).

    do brush up on your debate concepts, however.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin
    Referencing the persons views, political mindset, and history to explain the conclussiosn and arguments you're making is
    ...ad hominem, and unnecessary. all that is needed is to address the arguments.

    An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the source making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.
    and why drag yourself thru all of this, anyway? since we already seem to agree about Rush?
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    Re: Democrats Launch Petition Against Rush Limbaugh

    An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the source making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.
    You posted some quotes, gave no source, gave no context, gave NOTHING but your word that they were true. NOTHING in your post indicated, at all, taht you were giving a "factual claim" because for it to be factual it'd need to be backed up by at least SOMETHING proving it.

    There was nothing to go off of as to the likely truth of them but your history and personal opinion and knowledge of those quotes.

    If you make a claim, and provide NO EVIDENCE at all to back it up, then yes expect people to use the only things they can to make a judgement on this statement...their knowledge of your history and their own knowledge.

    If you had provided me with the quotes, some kind of link or reference pointing me to something I can go to to verify that it really IS a fact that he said it, and allows me to see context to see it really is FACT that this is his opinion and not just him using hyperbole then yeah...i'd have no need to make a judgement based on my own knowledge of the situation and of your views.

    The burden of proof lies first on the person making the initial claim, NOT on the person disagreeing with said unfounded claim.

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    Re: Democrats Launch Petition Against Rush Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    Actually that is not quite true, but why bother with context? It is utterly normal to argue Limbaugh ignores context while ignoring context to complain about Limbaugh. And the band played on……………..
    When did I argue Limbaugh ignores context?

    And what context am I ignoring? Did I illustrate what was meant by this in any direction? Did I say that Obama's failure would lead to the nation's failure? Did I impugn Rush for saying this?

    No. I made a statemnt of fact.

    You invented the idea that I took him out of context in order to try and defend him.

    Did he or did he not say: "Why would I want that to succeed? I don't believe in that. I know that's not how this country is going to be great in the future; it's not what made this country great. So I shamelessly say, "No! I want him to fail.""

    If those are Rush's exact words, and I make no claims about what he means by them, there is no context for me to consider.

    Does he want Obama to fail?

    Yes, he has admitted this quite clearly.

    Did I state what that means?

    Absolutely not. So your complaint about me taking things out of context clearly ignore the context of my statements. and illustrates that you are more interested in defending than discussing.

    So please, don't invent arguments for me which I have not made.


    Not to deny you your speculation, but demographics long ago destroyed the claim that Limbaugh’s audience is disenfranchised, stupid, uneducated and insert claim here.
    Thanks for making up another claim for me. I have never once in my entire life called Rush listeners "stupid" or "uneducated". I don't mean "disenfranchised" as a negative term.

    Now, perhaps "disenfranchised" was not the right word. Perhaps "Pissed off at the government because they are not having their voices heard" would be a better one. Oh... wait... That is basically what the word actually means!

    Although the term is technically relating to the right to vote, it is often used colloquially to illustrate a group of people who feel that they are not being represented by government, or feel "voiceless".

    With liberals in office, this would most definitely include those who are Rush Limbaugh fans. In essense they turn to him as the "voice" of the people.

    That is what I meant by disenfranchised.

    If you have demographical data to refute my claim, please feel free to actually cite it instead of mention that it exists.
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    Re: Democrats Launch Petition Against Rush Limbaugh

    These people, Limbaugh, Maddox, Olbermann, Coulter and others are all cheap entertainers and should be paid little heed.. But they are good at baiting others .. I guess this is taught in our colleges..along with propaganda and
    When I first heard RL years ago, I was impressed...but no more....and KO nauseates me..

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    Re: Democrats Launch Petition Against Rush Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    What's wrong with it? Nothing in principle.

    But they work for the people. There are serious issues that face our country. Rush isn't one of them. It's a petty waste of time for them to whine like this. Rush is partisan blowhard. What's next? Let's start a petition saying that water is wet.
    That is pretty much spot on. One thing I differ on though.....Rush isn't a partisan, he took some really good shots at a lot of Republicans, including McCain during the last couple of years because they were screwing up all of the contract with america reforms and taking the party back to Nixonian Republicanism over the Goldwater Republicanism that most of the conservative base of the party.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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