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Holocaust a 'big lie': Iran govt spokesman

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Here is an interesting fact. There is more historians that doubt the Holocaust than their are scientists that doubt evolution.

Iranian government have people that deny the holocaust, the US government have people that deny evolution. What does that say about the US and Iranian goverments??
 
Here is an interesting fact. There is more historians that doubt the Holocaust than their are scientists that doubt evolution.

Iranian government have people that deny the holocaust, the US government have people that deny evolution. What does that say about the US and Iranian goverments??

Do you have a source for that fact?
 
Why is this news?
I figured it was common knowledge Iran doubts the Holocaust?

It would have been news if they admitted it was true.
 
It would have indeed, followed by an execution of the man who made such an admission.

Iran's laws not ours.

Im confused as to why everyone takes it so personal when someone doubts the Holocaust. [Don't bite my head off] but does it really matter what a few spokesmen say in the larger scale of things? The majority of the world acknowledge it.
 
Iran's laws not ours.

Im confused as to why everyone takes it so personal when someone doubts the Holocaust. [Don't bite my head off] but does it really matter what a few spokesmen say in the larger scale of things? The majority of the world acknowledge it.

Don't look at me. THough it is disgusting, I am not one to make that big a deal of it. Freedom of speech also implies the freedom to say stupid things.
 
Don't look at me. THough it is disgusting, I am not one to make that big a deal of it. Freedom of speech also implies the freedom to say stupid things.

I was just wondering aloud don't worry.
Im not bothered by it either way, it is just words. Its not harming anyone as far as i can see
 
And the main issue with the Lefevrists was their non-conformance with the reforms at Vatican II.

I know that, but that doesn't really answer my question. My entire point is that his anti-semitism is rooted in his religion.

I figured it was common knowledge Iran doubts the Holocaust?

What the hell does "Iran doubts the Holocaust" even mean?
 
While I don't doubt the Holocaust happened. I can see how many countries are not as informed on the topic and even hesitant to teach it. Its a staple of education in the US but not necessarily other countries, especially those who suffered significant casualties of their own during WWII.

It is taboo to speak bad of Israel in the west for one reason, the Holocaust. Iran attacks it because it is the main reason the UN allowed for the creation of a Jewish state and it is not a significant or even accepted historical even in the middle east. Why should they acknowledge something they had nothing to do with when it is the reason their greatest enemy was given a state in the ME.
 
Sure, carefully sampled, professionally done polls. Care to cite one?

Next you will tell me we should cite Stormfront.org to determine what the majority of White Americans think about President Obama. :doh
Polls, :lol:
Who will waste their lives making such kind of polls?

"Do you think that the Germans used poison gas or that they just farted on the Jews faces?":lol:

"Did the people in the concentration camps died because they were hungry or because they were victims of serious symptoms of anorexia?":lol:

You have no idea of how people of other countries feel about this fallacy of the holocaust, and you better visit their forums, because forums is a better witness which carry lot of information, while polls mostly is about of saying yes or no. Besides, in several occasions the questions of the polls are tricky to take advantage and have a better result for the intended partial goal.:coffeepap
 
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Considering that anti semitism is again on the rise in Europe and else where can we be sure that they are not biased or just flat out racist in their views? You do say that they go beyond the holocaust and insult the Jews. That at least to me indicates a broader agenda than just denying the holocaust.

A forum hardly represents the view of entire countries. Just look at the threads here. It is just a very very small hand full of us from different countries that that post in the same topic threads over and over.

Moe

Oh come on, you and your antisemitism stink already. Stop playing of being the victim, the farce is over.

First, that war happened in the past millennium, so that is "ancient history" already. Second, no one of the supporters of the holocaust have ever tried to verify their own claims with the support of science.

On the contrary, an expert in gas chambers design and construction has proved with an excellent use of the scientific method those rooms never were used as gas chambers, from the failures of ventilation, the leaks in windows and doors, plus the lack of residuals enough to assert that such gas was used to kill people.

The link I gave in my former message provides more information from people who live in Europe, they know their history, they have well documented census of Europe in those years of the war, they can prove that it can't be possible that 6 millions of Jews died in gas chambers just by using the records of those census.

You have science, official records from census, a million of German soldiers who were ready to testify that such holocaust was a lie and prove it, but they weren't allowed to say their version and show their evidence.

Maybe the Iranians argue that the holocaust never happened because the mutual hatred between them and the Jews, but there are lots of people who don't buy the fallacy of the gas chambers for the reasons given above plus that it doesn't make sense at all.

This is not about antisemitism, so please stop hiding yourself in that silly word.:coffeepap
 
While I don't doubt the Holocaust happened. I can see how many countries are not as informed on the topic and even hesitant to teach it. Its a staple of education in the US but not necessarily other countries, especially those who suffered significant casualties of their own during WWII.

You must be talking about "brainwashing" instead of education, right?

It is taboo to speak bad of Israel in the west for one reason, the Holocaust. Iran attacks it because it is the main reason the UN allowed for the creation of a Jewish state and it is not a significant or even accepted historical even in the middle east. Why should they acknowledge something they had nothing to do with when it is the reason their greatest enemy was given a state in the ME.

If the NU approved the creation of the State of Israel in base of a lie as it is the gas chambers killing millions of Jews, then I think that we must need to reconsider such a resolution and see how this mistake can be fixed.:coffeepap
 
Oh come on, you and your antisemitism stink already. Stop playing of being the victim, the farce is over.


Uhmmm, I am not Jewish. Plus Captain Courtesy has posted against all these claims and completely debunked them.

Moe
 
If the NU approved the creation of the State of Israel in base of a lie as it is the gas chambers killing millions of Jews, then I think that we must need to reconsider such a resolution and see how this mistake can be fixed.:coffeepap


I just get a real bad feeling about what your idea of fixing it means. If you think any attempt to politically dissolve any state simply means that they are just going to go oh well what can we do the world has decided we do not have the right to exist anymore and just pack up and walk away then I think it is you who needs an education.

Moe
 
First, that war happened in the past millennium, so that is "ancient history" already.

Seriously? Are you REALLY for real for this. Something that happened in teh past millennium is automatically "ancient history".

Bill Clinton being president was "Ancient History"

The internet is ANCIENT technology, I mean, it was created last millennium.

Seinfield was a masterpiece of ancient entertainment as it went off the air last millennium.

WWII and the Holocaust were less than 100 years ago. That's hardly "ancient" history. Your horribly hyperbole can't truly be serious can it?

Seems I have seen this stormfront mentioned in other threads as just another anti semitic group similiar to the hate speech practiced by the Aryan Brotherhoods here in the states. True?

Moe

The posts I linked were jokes.

Stormfront is, I think, based out of the U.S. It is a rather large neo-nazi/white supremisist type forum filled with racists, anti-semites, and all sorts of other pieces of preverbial trash. The forums are generally filled with useless propoganda, typically containing huge misinformation or just flat out lies about things.
 
Im confused as to why everyone takes it so personal when someone doubts the Holocaust. [Don't bite my head off] but does it really matter what a few spokesmen say in the larger scale of things? The majority of the world acknowledge it.
Because establishing and protecting truth is paramount to combating those who wish to manipulate the ignorance of the masses to evil ends.
 
Well according to Christian apologists on these boards, a Bishop who said the same is their brother in Christ, so his opinion must be more then ok, right?

Your move.

Defending a holocaust denier is low ....

You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
I guess all the American camp liberators that returned with PTSD were fakers.

If they had PTSD, why would you guess that they were faking?
 
I was just wondering aloud don't worry.
Im not bothered by it either way, it is just words. Its not harming anyone as far as i can see


But it does. it effects how they look at and treat other people.
If they deny the Holocaust, then they that is pretty major.
It is being in denial about something and then, possibly extending
policies that will further effect other people. Look at Irans supplying
of Hamas. This IS directly killing Jews. It is a reflection of their beliefs
and the fact that they deny the Hoolocaust. Further, it reflects their
Ability to honestly communicate. A horse with blinders, and all that.
 
You must be talking about "brainwashing" instead of education, right?

If the NU approved the creation of the State of Israel in base of a lie as it is the gas chambers killing millions of Jews, then I think that we must need to reconsider such a resolution and see how this mistake can be fixed.:coffeepap


Why do you bother to continue posting here?
 
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Because establishing and protecting truth is paramount to combating those who wish to manipulate the ignorance of the masses to evil ends.

But my point is why is it so important for every person to acknowledge the Holocaust? No one agrees with everything and i do not see why Arabs and others who had no role in it should be forced to acknowledge and teach it if they do not choose it. Turkey, with the help of other nations are not forced to acknowledge what they did. Shouldn't we also be learning outside of the Holocaust and extending it to the other horrors of what humans have done to others? I remember a history class and i was being taught about the gas chambers and i recall a student asking why we were learning this and the teachers reply of 'to make sure it never happens again' rang hollow. Us learning about the Holocaust made no difference to what happened in Bosnia or Darfur now. Is it not time to lay History to rest?
 
But my point is why is it so important for every person to acknowledge the Holocaust? No one agrees with everything and i do not see why Arabs and others who had no role in it should be forced to acknowledge and teach it if they do not choose it. Turkey, with the help of other nations are not forced to acknowledge what they did. Shouldn't we also be learning outside of the Holocaust and extending it to the other horrors of what humans have done to others? I remember a history class and i was being taught about the gas chambers and i recall a student asking why we were learning this and the teachers reply of 'to make sure it never happens again' rang hollow. Us learning about the Holocaust made no difference to what happened in Bosnia or Darfur now. Is it not time to lay History to rest?

It is important that people acknowledge the Holocaust because there are muslim clerics today calling for a new holocaust on Jews. On January 26, 2009 on Memri tv Egyptian Muslim cleric Amin Al-Ansari justifies the Holocaust, airs footage of the holocaust, and declares: "This is what we hope will happen but, Allah willing, at the hand of the Muslims"

Here is a link to this evil Muslim clerics hate filled broadcast. Its no wonder muslims hate jews so much with religious leaders like him spewing lies like this.

LiveLeak.com - Egyptian Cleric Justifies The Holocaust,Airs Footage And "Hopes It Will Happen Again But,Allah Willing,At The Hand Of Muslims".
 
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