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    Re: Challenges loom as Obama seeks space weapons ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Determent would obviously still exist since countries in the agreement would be allied to act against those that went against the agreement.
    So you agree -- peace can be obtained thru means other than acceptance and understanding.

    You are assuming such an agreement exists, and presuming that the contries in that agreement can actually act effectively.

    There is no positive for anyone to have military presence in space.
    There is clearly a 'positive' for the countries that have them, especially against the countries that do not.

    When you have one power above all others rebellion and conflict is inevitable.
    Not at all.

    If we have multiple counties on equal ground...
    I have no problem with other countries, especially our allies, also having weapons in space.

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    Re: Challenges loom as Obama seeks space weapons ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Nah, they've got a heavy fluted bull barrel.

    However, there was talk about adding a bayonet lug. I guess Biden flipped out about that. Said something about "assault satellite"....
    No womder Obama wants to ban them.

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    Re: Challenges loom as Obama seeks space weapons ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So you agree -- peace can be obtained thru means other than acceptance and understanding.
    No. Restraining groups through intimidation and force is not peace. The peace that would exist is through the countries that agree not to advance their military measures and ally with those that also agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You are assuming such an agreement exists, and presuming that the contries in that agreement can actually act effectively.
    I assume the whole point of taking these steps is to put such an agreement in place. Not that it already exists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    There is clearly a 'positive' for the countries that have them, especially against the countries that do not.
    The concern isn't over those countries that cannot place such weapons. It is of those that can. What benefit is there of the US, China, North Korea, Iran, Russia, Great Britan, India, etc. having weapons in space? This scenario only leads to fear and aggression.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I have no problem with other countries, especially our allies, also having weapons in space.
    This leads to the same issue we see with Nuclear weapons. We have them, our allies have them, and those that we don't want to have them are trying to get them because of the fear that we might use them.
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    Re: Challenges loom as Obama seeks space weapons ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    No. Restraining groups through intimidation and force is not peace.
    Peace is the absence of conflict. Deterrence creates an absence of colflict.

    The peace that would exist is through the countries that agree not to advance their military measures and ally with those that also agree.
    And what about those that do not agree? What creates peace with them?

    I assume the whole point of taking these steps is to put such an agreement in place. Not that it already exists.
    Adn you aslo assume that that the contries in that agreement can actually act effectively against those that are NOT in agreement.
    Note that this creates conflict.

    The concern isn't over those countries that cannot place such weapons. It is of those that can.
    Yes... and the countries that can have an advantage over those that cannot. This is a 'positive'.

    What benefit is there of the US, China, North Korea, Iran, Russia, Great Britan, India, etc. having weapons in space?
    1: deterrence
    2: Advantage over the other countries that do not have said weapons.

    This scenario only leads to fear and aggression.
    Not at all.

    This leads to the same issue we see with Nuclear weapons.
    Nuclear weapons have kept the peace since 1947.

    We have them, our allies have them, and those that we don't want to have them are trying to get them because of the fear that we might use them.
    The notion that the only reason countries like Iran and NK want nukes is because we have them is absurdly and patent silly. If we were to give up out nukes, NK and Iran (etc) would laugh and keep working on theirs.

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    Re: Challenges loom as Obama seeks space weapons ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The article specifically states that he also plans to look at threats to US spacecraft, offer contingency plans to keep information flowing, and a plan to defend US spacecraft. Basically he is saying there should be a ban on weapons in space but the US will still be putting measures in place to protect itself and it's spacecraft.

    I have no problem with this. In fact it is quite an intelligent move. This sets precedence that America will not be placing weapons in space and will not accept the placement of weapons in space by any foreign nation, and seeks other nations to follow. This removes the likelihood that the world will end up in the same situation that is currently is in with Nuclear weapons.
    In the war of armor and ammunition, the ammunition always win. And if China knocks our birds out, and we tie our hands unable to return the favor...

    That's just plain stupid.
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    Re: Challenges loom as Obama seeks space weapons ban

    I think it's just feel good talk.

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    Re: Challenges loom as Obama seeks space weapons ban

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I think it's just feel good talk.
    Another version of choosing ice cream over the cow.

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    Re: Challenges loom as Obama seeks space weapons ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Another version of choosing ice cream over the cow.
    You got it all wrong...again. Its more like forgoing ice cream to utilize the dairy products of the cow in a way that is much more healthy for the country.
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    Re: Challenges loom as Obama seeks space weapons ban

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why the hell is that dumb dick seeking a space weapons ban? Who the hell has got them or about to get them? What is this, a preemptive ban?
    China has already shown that it can knock satellites out of space with its recent anti-satellite tests.
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    Re: Challenges loom as Obama seeks space weapons ban

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In the war of armor and ammunition, the ammunition always win. And if China knocks our birds out, and we tie our hands unable to return the favor...

    That's just plain stupid.
    Yes so lets all make the biggest guns possible and who ever makes the biggest gun of them all and fires first wins.
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