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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    1st term, yes. 2nd term, no.

    It's happened a few times in other administrations, but none for reasons that are potentially of a political nature (i.e. not willing to witch hunt Democrats, being lenient on Republicans).
    There are no restrictions as to when a political appointee can be shown the door.
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    1st term, yes. 2nd term, no.

    It's happened a few times in other administrations, but none for reasons that are potentially of a political nature (i.e. not willing to witch hunt Democrats, being lenient on Republicans).
    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    There are no restrictions as to when a political appointee can be shown the door.
    I see you ignored the second point Middleground made.

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    You're right, it's not illegal to fire them for political reasons. I was mistaken about that, thanks for correcting me.


    Absolutely! If I believed there was nothing here to investigate, I'd be right on board with you. I would agree that this is a witch hunt, political grandstanding, and a waste of taxpayer money. But, and I posted this already, here are the reasons why I think there is something here to investigate:

    1. Some of the attorneys strongly believe that they were fired only because they refused to dig up criminal dirt on Democrats where none existed.
    2. Some of the attorneys strongly believe that they were fired only because they refused to call off criminal investigations on Republicans.
    3. The administration gave conflicting reasons why they were fired.

    Number 2 in particular could be obstruction of justice.

    Sure they might be disgruntled. They might also be working on book deals. Or, heaven forbid, they might actually be 100% correct. But the simple fact they got fired in no way invalidates any of their claims. If we threw out every case of wrongful termination simply because the person might just be disgruntled, well, that would be pretty stupid wouldn't it?

    Serving at the pleasure of the president is not a blank check to obstruct justice and use the Justice Department as a political weapon. Again, they should be innocent until proven guilty, but surely you can see that there is reasonable grounds for an investigation?
    Wow, so some people that got fired are bitching about it. Big surprise.

    Baseless accusations by disgruntled former political appointees should never be enough to initiate an investigation. It's a waste of our time and money.

    There is no due process for political appointees. The serve at the pleasure of the President, period. It's not a matter of guilt or innocence, it's a matter of political expediency and the wishes of the Executive branch.
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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Wow, so some people that got fired are bitching about it. Big surprise.

    Baseless accusations by disgruntled former political appointees should never be enough to initiate an investigation. It's a waste of our time and money.

    There is no due process for political appointees. The serve at the pleasure of the President, period. It's not a matter of guilt or innocence, it's a matter of political expediency and the wishes of the Executive branch.
    It is fascinating to watch you try to spin this. Please tell me why the Department of Justice's IG's office rcommended further investigation and why the former Attorney General Mukasey then appointed a special prosecutor? Because it's a witch hunt? Yeah, right.

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    It is fascinating to watch you try to spin this. Please tell me why the Department of Justice's IG's office rcommended further investigation and why the former Attorney General Mukasey then appointed a special prosecutor? Because it's a witch hunt? Yeah, right.
    I'm not spinning anything. I've been absolutely consistent since this thread started. It's you and your friends that are spinning all over the place trying to pretend that there's an issue here.

    I have no idea why the IG and Mukasey wanted an investigation. Maybe he was auditioning for a spot in the next administration. Who knows. If I had the chance, I would tell him the same thing as I've said here.
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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Rove is not going to answer the subpoena on Feb. 2. He says Conyers is just playing games. There is a video of his appearance on O'Reilly last night on this page.

    Michigan Messenger VIDEO: Rove compares Conyers to Captain Ahab

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    I'm not spinning anything. I've been absolutely consistent since this thread started. It's you and your friends that are spinning all over the place trying to pretend that there's an issue here.

    I have no idea why the IG and Mukasey wanted an investigation. Maybe he was auditioning for a spot in the next administration. Who knows. If I had the chance, I would tell him the same thing as I've said here.
    I'm not saying you're being inconsistent. How my stating that you're spinning the facts is equivalent to your being inconsistent is beyond me. My point is that you are ignoring facts in this case and, additionally, there is no way that you know/have facts that both the IG's office and Mukasey know/have. I could be wrong, but I doubt it, although your statement that you have no idea why the IG and Mukasey recommended an investigation proves my point.

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    I found the report. Yippee!

    For anyone interested in learning more facts about the firing of the 9 US Attorneys, I highly recommend reading this. It's fascinating.

    http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/s0809a/final.pdf

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I'm not saying you're being inconsistent. How my stating that you're spinning the facts is equivalent to your being inconsistent is beyond me. My point is that you are ignoring facts in this case and, additionally, there is no way that you know/have facts that both the IG's office and Mukasey know/have. I could be wrong, but I doubt it, although your statement that you have no idea why the IG and Mukasey recommended an investigation proves my point.
    What it proves is that I don't care why they want an investigation, because I think it's irrelevant. The only facts that matter are that the attorneys were political appointees, and the President decided that their service was no longer needed. That's not spin, it's just the way things are. The only spin is coming from those who advocate a witch hunt.
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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    What it proves is that I don't care why they want an investigation, because I think it's irrelevant. The only facts that matter are that the attorneys were political appointees, and the President decided that their service was no longer needed. That's not spin, it's just the way things are. The only spin is coming from those who advocate a witch hunt.
    Amazing. So you have minimal facts and choose not to educate yourself. Why are you even in this thread? Don't answer that--it's a rhetorical question. I have zero respect for that kind of small-mindedness.

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