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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    If you believe that he deserves punishment for what he did, then you think the exact same for Dubya.

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    Plum positions for donations. That's what Seigleman is "guilty" of, and apparently by this article, it appears Dubya is too. Haul his ass to jail, I say!
    Not the same at all.

    On October 26, 2005, Siegelman was indicted on new charges of bribery and mail fraud in connection with Richard M. Scrushy, founder and former CEO of HealthSouth. Two former Siegelman aides were charged in the indictment as well. Siegelman was accused of trading government favors for campaign donations when he was governor from 1999 to 2003 and lieutenant governor from 1995 to 1999. Scrushy was accused of arranging $500,000 in donations to Siegelman's campaign for a state lottery fund for universal education, in exchange for a seat on a state hospital regulatory board. Scrushy, who had served on the state hospital regulatory board over the past three Republican administrations, had recently been investigated for his part in the HealthSouth Corporation fraud scandal which cost shareholders billions[13]

    During his trial, Siegelman continued his campaign for governor, running against Lt. Governor Lucy Baxley and minor candidates in the Democratic primary on June 6. Despite Baxley's relatively low-profile campaign, she easily defeated Siegelman in the primary with almost 60% of the vote compared to Siegelman's 36%.[14] Siegelman was convicted of federal corruption charges just three weeks later. Baxley went on to lose to incumbent Bob Riley in the general election. Riley won 58% of the vote; Baxley, just under 42%.

    On June 29, 2006, a federal jury found both Siegelman and Scrushy guilty on seven of the 33 counts in the indictment. Siegelman was convicted on "one count of bribery, one count of conspiracy to commit honest services mail fraud, four counts of honest services mail fraud and one count of obstruction of justice", according to a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice.[15] Siegelman was acquitted on 25 charges, including the indictment's allegations of a widespread RICO conspiracy, and his former chief of staff, Paul Hamrick, and transportation director, Mack Roberts, were acquitted of all charges.[16] Siegelman was represented by Mobile attorneys Vince Kilborn and David McDonald, along with Greenwood attorney Hiram Eastland and Notre Dame law professor G. Robert Blakey, who is an authority on RICO. Siegelman was sentenced by Judge Mark Everett Fuller to more than seven years in federal prison and a $50,000 fine.[1]
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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    You don't have to get to the jury. You only have to get to the judge. The judge filters what the jury can and can't hear. It's not as if an injustice can't happen in a courtroom. Why won't Rove testify if it is so simple that he did nothing wrong?

    And if one is knowledgeable regarding this case, one would know that this case was thrown out twice before they "found" a judge that would see it.

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Not the same at all.



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    How is it different than "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours?"

    Scrushy was accused of arranging $500,000 in donations to Siegelman's campaign for a state lottery fund for universal education, in exchange for a seat on a state hospital regulatory board.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    How is it different than "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours?"
    There are lines, and Siegelman crossed them. How is what he did any different than what Blago was impeached for? Or do you think he was railroaded too?
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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    There are lines, and Siegelman crossed them. How is what he did any different than what Blago was impeached for? Or do you think he was railroaded too?

    Blago wanted to pocket the money himself, didn't he? Seigleman wanted it as a donation to his lottery state education fund, not his personal bank account.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Blago wanted to pocket the money himself, didn't he? Seigleman wanted it as a donation to his lottery state education fund, not his personal bank account.
    That wasn't the only thing he was convicted for, and I'd be willing to bet there was a scheme for him to be able to pocket some of the cash.
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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    That wasn't the only thing he was convicted for, and I'd be willing to bet there was a scheme for him to be able to pocket some of the cash.
    Everything that he was convicted for, had to do with that. The $500,000 donation to his state lottery education fund. He was NOT convicted of anything not related to that. Yes, that's right. Still think he's scum, or are you thinking, "wow, stuff like that does not happen in the good old US of A?"
    Last edited by Middleground; 02-01-09 at 06:15 PM.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Everything that he was convicted for, had to do with that. The $500,000 donation to his state lottery education fund. He was NOT convicted of anything not related to that. Yes, that's right. Still think he's scum?
    Yep. He was rightfully tossed out of office by a lesser known opponent, and convicted for being a crook. Good riddance. My state doesn't need people like that in leadership positions. Funny thing is I know some liberals here, and they're all a lot tougher on Siegelman than you think I'm being. Too funny!
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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Yep. He was rightfully tossed out of office by a lesser known opponent, and convicted for being a crook. Good riddance. My state doesn't need people like that in leadership positions. Funny thing is I know some liberals here, and they're all a lot tougher on Siegelman than you think I'm being. Too funny!
    Wow, facts are not important to you and your pretent lib'rul friends. I'll keep that in mind.

    Better start screaming for Dubya's head then. He's given some mighty plum positions to big GOP donors. According to you, he's scum.
    Last edited by Middleground; 02-01-09 at 06:21 PM.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

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    Maybe Rove will be the first to fall. He certainly deserves nothing but, the best treatment from the other inmates.

    I wouldn't be surprised to hear he is also questioned about his and Cheney's conspiracy to out a CIA covert spy.

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