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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    If David Axelrod supervised the firing of every US Attorney and personally selected their replacements, you would not question how that job was in his purview or what his motives were? I think you would.
    Who has a problem with merely arguing about whether Axelrod should have been performing such a duty? I don't see anyone here with such a problem.

    Instead, we have rhetorical gasbags like you arguing that the President and Rove are guilty of obstructing justice.

    Yet, amazingly, you won't or can't explain how...

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    The "reasons" for those firings can most assuredly be considered "illegal". US attorneys are supposed to be non-partisan in their actions. Rove directed the conspiracy that those attorneys be fired because they were not for hire to do Bush and Rove's dirty politics. THAT is illegal! Do you realize that these were Bush's appointed US Attorneys?
    What is illegal?

    How is it illegal for Rove, serving at the will of the President, directs the President's appointed DoJ staff to dismiss a US Attorney?

    Specifics, please.

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    This should prove interesting. Rove WILL appear. I suspect Obama will not support Bush's EO on Rove. If Rove doesn't show, or doesn't talk, I suspect he's headed to jail.

    And if "the brain" tries to use his "absolute immunity" defense, it will get very entertaining.

    Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

    Isn't it ironic that Rove now has to depend on Obama to defend Bush's executive order that protects Rove from being questioned? Doncha just love irony?

    One by one Bush's thugs will fall until we get to King George himself. That will be a day that America's honor and status in the world will be elevated one more step.

    Ain't it interesting when Repubs spend over $70 million looking into a failed land deal in a failed attempt to get Clinton they referred to it as an "investigation". But, when Dems begin to look into real crimes committed by the president's administration they call it a "witch hunt"! They surely live in Alice's Wonderland.
    Rove has been directed NOT to appear. Bush Lawyer Directs Rove Not to Talk to Congress | Newsweek Politics | Newsweek.com

    This is what doesn't make sense to me. Why isn't Rove showing up and then claiming he won't answer the questions due to executive privilege. This business of not showing up at all is just plain ridiculous.

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Congress can force White House aides to testify under subpoena, a U.S. District Court ruled Thursday, rejecting Bush administration claims of immunity.

    The House Judiciary Committee has been seeking to force former White House Counsel Harriet Miers to testify before Congress about the firing of nine U.S. attorneys in 2006. The White House has been resisting, claiming she cannot be compelled to appear.

    But the White House position "is without any support in case law," Judge John D. Bates wrote in a 93-page opinion released Thursday.

    He said the notion that "Miers is absolutely immune from compelled congressional process" is "unprecedented."

    But, Bates added, the ruling does not mean that Miers and Joshua Bolten, the White House chief of staff from whom House Democrats have demanded White House documents, could not assert executive privilege during congressional testimony.

    White House aides not immune from subpoenas, judge says - CNN.com
    A judge has addressed the issue already. Why Rove and Miers (and/or their attorneys) think they are above reproach is beyond me.

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    If David Axelrod supervised the firing of every US Attorney and personally selected their replacements, you would not question how that job was in his purview or what his motives were? I think you would.
    Rove didn't personally hire and fire attorneys. Where to hear this stuff, DailyKOS?
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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Rove didn't personally hire and fire attorneys. Where to hear this stuff, DailyKOS?
    No one said he did

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    No one said he did
    Then Conyers is on a which hunt. He chose to got with Rove first for political reasons.
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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Who has a problem with merely arguing about whether Axelrod should have been performing such a duty? I don't see anyone here with such a problem.

    Instead, we have rhetorical gasbags like you arguing that the President and Rove are guilty of obstructing justice.

    Yet, amazingly, you won't or can't explain how...
    I mentioned the name of Axelrod because he holds the same job that Karl Rove had when Rove was advising on the hiring and firing of US attorneys. But seeing as how you have already descended into name calling, I assume you have run up against the limits of your argument. Have a nice weekend.
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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    You kinda have to first establish that the dismissal of those attorneys constituted an obstruction before asserting it as a fact.
    Which is the whole ****ing point of this investigation! You know, the one you have erroneously label as a witch hunt. Jesus is it really that hard to understand??

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    Innocent until proven guilty. All we're asking for is a legitimate investigation to put the matter to rest. And we believe an investigation is in order
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    Serving at the pleasure of the president is not a blank check to obstruct justice and use the Justice Department as a political weapon. Again, they should be innocent until proven guilty, but surely you can see that there is reasonable grounds for an investigation?
    Quote Originally Posted by JMak
    Instead, we have rhetorical gasbags like you arguing that the President and Rove are guilty of obstructing justice.

    Yet, amazingly, you won't or can't explain how...
    I personally have explained it twice in this thread already. See post 33 and 76. You seem to have a problem with selective reading. Don't pretend the explanation doesn't exist simply because it's more convenient for you to ignore it.

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Which is the whole ****ing point of this investigation! You know, the one you have erroneously label as a witch hunt. Jesus is it really that hard to understand??






    I personally have explained it twice in this thread already. See post 33 and 76. You seem to have a problem with selective reading. Don't pretend the explanation doesn't exist simply because it's more convenient for you to ignore it.
    This is for JMak:

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I found the report. Yippee!

    For anyone interested in learning more facts about the firing of the 9 US Attorneys, I highly recommend reading this. It's fascinating.

    http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/s0809a/final.pdf
    Once you read the report, I'll give your discussion in this thread probative value.

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    Re: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    This is for JMak:



    Once you read the report, I'll give your discussion in this thread probative value.

    Did you read the whole darn thing, aps?
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