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GAZA IN RUINS 'Who Has Won Here?'

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Gaza in Ruins: 'Who Has Won Here?' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

In the Gaza Strip people are returning home -- or to the rubble that was once their home. Many are blaming Hamas for the destruction because the militants hid among civilians and attracted Israeli fire. Yet no one dares to speak out openly.

"I used to support Hamas because they fought for our country, for Palestine," says Sadala. Hamas stood for a new start, for an end of corruption, which had spread like cancer under the moderate Fatah. In the 2006 elections Hamas won the majority with their message of change, said Sadala, who earned a living in the building business. Gesticulating wildly, the 52-year-old surveyed the ruins of the bedroom: "That is the change that they brought about. We were blasted back 2,000 years."

"I've changed my mind about Hamas," Abu Abed says. "I can't support any party that wages a war that destroys our lives." He is particularly pained by the fact that Hamas is still selling the cease-fire as a victory.

One of his neighbors weighs in: "Many people are now against Hamas but that won't change anything," he says. "Because anyone who stands up to them is killed."
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Seems like they don't like the "change" Hamas brought. Good.

Next time Hamas sends "change" to Israel, I hope the Israeli's knock them another 2000 years backwards. It's the only way they seem to be learn.
 
*sigh*

All right, tell us Zimmer, What has Israel told Hamas? They certainly haven't weakened them to any meaningful degree, as was pointed out in the article.

This does show a point I've been making since the conflict began. Hamas is in control of Gaza, when you say something like "The people of Gaza must overthrow Hamas before we allow food in" what you are saying is that the people of Gaza need to have a revolution then side with the force which destroyed their homes.

It's a retarded, self-fulfilling prophecy. I'll tell you what will happen: Hamas, aka the people w/Guns, will kill everyone who openly confronts them. Then Israel will blame the people of Gaza for living near them and begin the bombing campaign to respond to some bottle rocket attacks.

And nothing will change.
 
Joby said:
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then side with the force which destroyed their homes.

It's a retarded, self-fulfilling prophecy. I'll tell you what will happen: Hamas, aka the people w/Guns, will kill everyone who openly confronts them. Then Israel will blame the people of Gaza for living near them and begin the bombing campaign to respond to some bottle rocket attacks.

And nothing will change.
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Those weren't bottle rockets... and...

...The force which destroyed their homes was Hamas. Even the locals know this.

Something will change when the Israeli's defeat Hamas and their bitter clingers.

Until then we'll have this continued game of ping-pong.
 
Then I ask that Israel defeat Hamas.

They clearly don't have the backbone to actually go in and solve the problem, instead settling to make bombing campaigns and limited incursions, which solves nothing.
 
This situation will not be "fixed" by shooting at each other. But thankfully President Obama got the right person to be the special envoy to the Middle-East. President Bush failed so hard on that.
 
Arch Enemy said:
This situation will not be "fixed" by shooting at each other. But thankfully President Obama got the right person to be the special envoy to the Middle-East. President Bush failed so hard on that.
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Name a Sec State who has produced a permanent cease fire in the ME. Not even Dr Kissenger, probably one of the most accomplish sec states in recent history. So Hillary is going to perform magic?
 
My guess is Raytheon.
 
The only people who can rid Gaza of Hamas, are those that voted them into power in the first place.
Whether they will do this whenever free elections are due is quite something else.
So far as I can recall, anytime a radical organization gains power they have a tendency to retain that power.
Ex. Putin and his Muppet Medvedev.
 
Oops, should have said Puppet, there again perhaps my Freudian slip was more accurate.:rofl
 
jujuman13 said:
The only people who can rid Gaza of Hamas, are those that voted them into power in the first place.
Whether they will do this whenever free elections are due is quite something else.
So far as I can recall, anytime a radical organization gains power they have a tendency to retain that power.
Ex. Putin and his Muppet Medvedev.
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wise man! I agree.
 
Joby said:
Then I ask that Israel defeat Hamas.

They clearly don't have the backbone to actually go in and solve the problem, instead settling to make bombing campaigns and limited incursions, which solves nothing.
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I agree completely with this.
 
zimmer said:
Seems like they don't like the "change" Hamas brought. Good.
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The WSJ suggests otherwise:

"Hamas is now our army, the only ones fighting to defend the Palestinian people," said Gaza resident Ahmed al-Sultan, standing outside the rubble of the north Gaza City home his family has lived in for 40 years. "I saw how they fight, their courage and their sacrifice, and so I've changed my opinion about them."
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Gazans Rally Behind Hamas - WSJ.com

The real long term problem is whether or not this has set up the next generation of Gazans to more willing to support Hamas. If it has then Israel will likely never achieve peace without genocide.
 
zimmer said:
Gaza in Ruins: 'Who Has Won Here?' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Seems like they don't like the "change" Hamas brought. Good.

Next time Hamas sends "change" to Israel, I hope the Israeli's knock them another 2000 years backwards. It's the only way they seem to be learn.
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We are in sync here.I don`t know if there is anything beyond self defence ,to be gained here,but sitting on their hands will only allow the PLO,Hamas,Jihad,...whoever ,to rearm and terrorize Israel. I think Israel gained a lot up to this point..."the awareness that Hamas is the cause,and destruction the result there of". Perhaps the jihadists will be compelled to join the human race.
 
No one won. This was not a war that someone wins someone loses. This was just a battle in a long war that started many years ago and will unfortunately last many more years.
 
"A Message From Gaza"

Check out the new song, "A Message From Gaza," from Hip-Hop's favorite son, Doktah Soose. Written from the perspective of a would be jihadi, the track tells the tale of a disenfranchised young adult who sees life as one tragedy after another. Follow him as he explores the feelings and conclusions he's reached as a result of the suffering he's endured at the hands of his Israeli occupiers.

// FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE // الحرية لفلسطين // LIBERTAD PARA PALESTINA // LA LIBERTE POUR PALESTINE // FREIHEIT FâR PALÄSTINA // 自碱巴勒斯墦ク // VRIJHEID VOOR PALESTIJN // FRIHET FOR PALESTINA //

"A Message From Gaza "
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Re: "A Message From Gaza"

DoktahSoose said:
Check out the new song, "A Message From Gaza," from Hip-Hop's favorite son, Doktah Soose. Written from the perspective of a would be jihadi, the track tells the tale of a disenfranchised young adult who sees life as one tragedy after another. Follow him as he explores the feelings and conclusions he's reached as a result of the suffering he's endured at the hands of his Israeli occupiers.

// FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE // الحرية لفلسطين // LIBERTAD PARA PALESTINA // LA LIBERTE POUR PALESTINE // FREIHEIT FâR PALÄSTINA // 自碱巴勒斯墦ク // VRIJHEID VOOR PALESTIJN // FRIHET FOR PALESTINA //

"A Message From Gaza "
Check out Dok's Myspace to hear the track or RapidShare to download:
Doktah Soose on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Downloads
RapidShare: Easy Filehosting
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I hate it without listening to it.

#1 It's rap.
#2 You're spamming our boards with it.
#3 The doode butchered Dr.Seuse? **** OFF.
#4
#5 Profit?!?!
 
1.if you dont like hip-hop you better find a hole to hide in cuz the whole world embraces it. plus it doesnt say (feat. lil wayne) or someone ridiculous like that. i understand you might not like to listen to lyrics about guns, drugs, etc. but really hip-hop is rhyming words over a beat with a flow. so who wouldnt like rhyming words over a beat with a flow.

2.not spamming.. my song is about gaza... the forum is about gaza... most people interested in the situation have given me a warm reception whether they agree with my opinion or not, or whether they like the song or not.

3.dont say **** bout soose or seuss without knowing both of us.

4.you aint got **** to say

5.profit?? funny since im giving the song away for free so its more like prophet
 
I just wish the 2 religions would exterminate each other so we can be done with this nonsense.
 
DoktahSoose said:
1.if you dont like hip-hop you better find a hole to hide in cuz the whole world embraces it. plus it doesnt say (feat. lil wayne) or someone ridiculous like that. i understand you might not like to listen to lyrics about guns, drugs, etc. but really hip-hop is rhyming words over a beat with a flow. so who wouldnt like rhyming words over a beat with a flow.
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No. The whole world does not embrace it. It would be equally as ignorant to say that the whole world embraces Country-Western, or Reggae.

2.not spamming.. my song is about gaza... the forum is about gaza... most people interested in the situation have given me a warm reception whether they agree with my opinion or not, or whether they like the song or not.
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You're right. You are using our boards as an advertising platform. GTFoff
3.dont say **** bout soose or seuss without knowing both of us.
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Oh, snap. You're right. I suppose I'll start a rap group. We'll be known as Motha Hubbad! :roll:
4.you aint got **** to say
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Don't need to say **** when there isnt **** to talk about. Get what I'm sayin?
5.profit?? funny since im giving the song away for free so its more like prophet
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Pop culture grandpa. Get with it.
 
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