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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    To bad Pelosi's parents didn't use a condom.

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Is there anybody left in America who can't afford a pack of 3 anymore? They're like $6 for a generic brand....I don't see why money needs to be thrown at it. What forms of 'birth control' Is she talking about? Condoms are like a buck each and I know for fact in Compton alone there are AT LEAST 40 places that will give em to you for free. So as much as I'd like to I simply don't see the sense in this. I mean....yeah birth control. Woohoo. But the most basic form of birth control is so cheap nowadays it doesn't even make sense for the government to put money into the matter anymore.


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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Would you rather dole out welfare payments for 18 years for the government to raise those kids?
    This assumes that the kids will even be born to begin with. People during a recession tend to have LESS kids then when we're not in one. Providing money for something based on 'what if' is not a reason to provide more money to programs which already get billions annually but here I'll let history do the talking :

    Shrinking Economy Puts Baby on Hold - Womens Health and Medical Information on MedicineNet.com

    # In the early 1970s, a recession lasted from November 1973 until March 1975. The fertility rate, 68.8 in 1973, fell for the next three years, bottoming out at 65 in 1976, the year after the recession ended. It climbed again the next year.

    # The early '80s brought more tough times. The economy was officially in a recession from January 1980 to July 1980 and again from July 1981 until November 1982. The fertility rate was 68.4 in 1980 and fell for the next four years to 65.5 in 1984. It increased again in 1985.

    # In July 1990, the country fell into a recession that lasted until March 1991. The fertility rate, which had been climbing throughout the late '80s, hit 70.9 in 1990, the highest rate in nearly two decades. However, the next year, following the recession, it started falling again and declined to 63.6 in 1997.

    # After the dot-com bust, the country was in a recession from March 2001 until November 2001. Again, fertility rates dipped the next year, falling from 65.3 in 2001 to 64.8 in 2002.
    But explain why we should give money under 'what if' circumstances when history shows that fertility drops during recessions simply because nobody wants the extra burden during hard economic times?
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I hear some people lack the sarcasm gene and will be the first put down too.
    How about we start with those unable and completely unwilling to ever admit they are wrong about anything?
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    I feel so proud to know that even though the liberal side of the arguments for this are so weak they feel like Jello there are still liberals on this site willing to defend such over the top irresponsibility.
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    condoms are free in many states.
    Wal-Mart sells em....

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This assumes that the kids will even be born to begin with. People during a recession tend to have LESS kids then when we're not in one. Providing money for something based on 'what if' is not a reason to provide more money to programs which already get billions annually but here I'll let history do the talking :

    Shrinking Economy Puts Baby on Hold - Womens Health and Medical Information on MedicineNet.com



    But explain why we should give money under 'what if' circumstances when history shows that fertility drops during recessions simply because nobody wants the extra burden during hard economic times?
    "Economic stimulus" doesn't have to mean things for short-term growth. The entire concept of jump-starting the economy is misguided, because recessions inevitably happen as part of the natural economic cycle and our ability to solve the immediate problem is limited. What we CAN do is stimulate our long-term economic growth...and an important way of doing that is to reduce poverty. Therefore the fertility rate in various economic cycles is irrelevant. Unwanted children are much more likely to grow up in poverty (and are much more likely to cause poverty for the parents). Anything that helps prevent unwanted pregnancies is an excellent form of economic stimulus.
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    "Economic stimulus" doesn't have to mean things for short-term growth. The entire concept of jump-starting the economy is misguided, because recessions inevitably happen as part of the natural economic cycle. What we CAN do is stimulate our long-term economic growth...and an important way of doing that is to reduce poverty. Therefore the fertility rate in various economic cycles is irrelevant. Unwanted children are much more likely to grow up in poverty (and are much more likely to cause poverty for the parents). Anything that helps prevent unwanted pregnancies is an excellent form of economic stimulus.
    What a way to this Kandahar. We ALREADY have programs in place specifically aimed AT unwanted pregnancies and prevention methods. What Pelosi is adding here is MORE money on the basis that we must target unwanted pregnancies during a recession. This is silly considering 1) fertility rates go down during a recession and 2) the programs we already have in place are not only in fine condition but do not need any more money.
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What a way to this Kandahar. We ALREADY have programs in place specifically aimed AT unwanted pregnancies and prevention methods.
    Not enough. Free condoms are not readily available in all parts of the country. The United States has the highest teenage pregnancy rate and the highest teenage abortion rate of any developed nation in the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey
    What Pelosi is adding here is MORE money on the basis that we must target unwanted pregnancies during a recession. This is silly considering 1) fertility rates go down during a recession and 2) the programs we already have in place are not only in fine condition but do not need any more money.
    She can spin it as recession-recovery if she likes, but the bottom line is that preventing unwanted pregnancies will absolutely result in a stronger economy in the long-term and the government should most definitely fund things like this.
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