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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Ahem, why are the states subsidizing condom use in the first place? What legitimate reason exists for any unit of government to subsidize condom use?
    Technically they aren't specifically subsidizing condoms. The costs for distribution are attached to sexual education programs in schools. The "freebie" box in the school clinic are funded under the sex ed. program.

    Heck even I had one of those generic things in my wallet to look kewl with the condom ring showing in my wallet. Yes I did dumb things as a teenager. Could be worse, to this day I can't name anyone who used one of those things for the deed (most guys bought their own) but I can thinK of plenty of people that used them for other entertainment purposes.
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Keorythe View Post
    Technically they aren't specifically subsidizing condoms. The costs for distribution are attached to sexual education programs in schools. The "freebie" box in the school clinic are funded under the sex ed. program.
    So, government dollars subsidizing government-run sex ed programs that distribute condoms for free...but that's not a government subsidy?

    You're not serious, are you?

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    STD prevention would be a good reason to promote condom. Use.
    Subsidize versus promote...

    Did you unknowingly shift the goal posts or was it deliberate?

    Maybe you can answer the question that I had asked?

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    So, WHICH ONE government dollars subsidizing WHICH ONE government-run sex ed programs that distribute condoms for free...but that's not a WHICH ONE government subsidy?

    You're not serious, are you?
    State vs. Federal. Reading helps. They teach that in school.

    Isn't this whats called a "strawman arguement"? Oh yeah it is.

    Subsidize versus promote...

    Did you unknowingly shift the goal posts or was it deliberate?

    Maybe you can answer the question that I had asked?
    STD prevention is part of sex ed, not just unwanted pregnancies. However, that is not what this arguement is about and the question went off track. Lets not derail this any further.
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    WTF?

    You're not making any sense.

    Sex ed programs hands out condoms. Government dollars fund sex ed program. Government dollars fund the handing out of condoms.

    Translation: Government subsidizes condoms.

    It doesn't matter to my question what unit of government is doing the subsidizing. There is no state versus federal angle. I am asking about government.

    What legitmate reason is there for government to subsidize comdom use?

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    It doesn't matter to my question what unit of government is doing the subsidizing. There is no state versus federal angle. I am asking about government.

    What legitmate reason is there for government to subsidize comdom use?

    Oh sorry, a general question. The answer? It was fallout from the Clinton 90's where there was a heavy push by the American Medical Association and threats by the federal government to form the program itself. States caved and many made their own programs. Unfortunately, there was no regulation on them or accountability. Ironically, these were formed under the basis of STD's, not teen pregnancies.

    Legit reasons? None really. The states were under the impression that kids would not be able to afford them and engage in unprotected sex. The long term results have been...less than ideal. Granted, back then sex in a relationship was something you had to work for. Now its pretty much mandatory. Crazy stuff.

    Sounds familiar doesn't it.
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    So there is no legit reason for the government to subsidize condom use...thank you. I didn't think so.

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    It's not about the money or being lazy, people in commited relationships simply do not want to use condoms. If they have been tested, there is absolutely no need for them and seeing how they are $6 a 3 pack- For people having sex atleast once a day that's over $60/month. \



    Well you can substract 5-7 days from that since women do not ovulate during menses. Actually, we only ovulate once a month, so it's free to track your cycle to have a darn good idea as to when you are fertile. Condoms for 3 days are cheap. Or maybe if one doesn't want an "unwanted child," maybe one should do other sexual activities during fertile times.

    I crack up when people say people can't afford birth control, but you know dang right well most of 'em can afford to go out drinking every weekend, have acryllic nails put on, buy concert tickets or whatever floats their boats. It's a matter of priorities.

    I agree w/ Hatuey on this one.
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So you would rather pay for their unwanted pregnancy with WIC, food stamps, childcare, welfare, section 8(becuase they are more qualified as a single parent), and child tax credits? FYI- you are already paying for their irresponsiblity by much, much, much more.
    Maybe those nice people with the bareback sexcapades and the unwanted pregnancies might consider placing their little burden up for adoption. There are many couples who cannot conceive on long term waiting lists for adopting.
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