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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Once. That's pretty much all I needed.

    However, I believe she is referring to birth control pills, IUD, tubal ligation, etc, etc. Condoms are the least convenient and least effective of the bunch. And, there are some (like myself) who are allergic to the latex and I hate to tell ya but lambskin condoms aren't $6/3 pack.

    Regardless, if you're having sex daily with the same partner, the pill or IUD, etc are the better birth control options.
    AAAAI - Allergy statistics

    # Estimates of the prevalence of allergy to latex allergens in the general population vary widely, from less than 1% to 6%.22
    # Certain individuals, including health care workers who wear latex gloves and children with spina bifida who have had multiple surgical procedures, are at particularly high risk for allergic reactions to latex. Atopic individuals (those with allergies) are at an increased risk of developing latex allergy.15
    # Approximately 220 cases of anaphylaxis and 3 deaths per year are due to latex allergy.23
    The numbers simply don't justify spending hundreds of millions on this.
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    How about personal responsibility and stopping government handouts for baby production?
    Sure personal responsibility is something that we are certainly lacking, but how do you propose we suddenly make everyone responsible? Do we just wave a magic responsibility wand in the air and suddenly the entire population becomes responsible and unwanted pregnancies cease?

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Sure personal responsibility is something that we are certainly lacking, but how do you propose we suddenly make everyone responsible? Do we just wave a magic responsibility wand in the air and suddenly the entire population becomes responsible and unwanted pregnancies cease?
    No, but you can quit rewarding them for such behavior, take a few years but the message will get out there and make a diff.

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    DRUDGE FLASH 2009: PELOSI SAYS BIRTH CONTROL WILL HELP ECONOMY

    Right, so let me get this straight, children are a burden on society, so we should limit children to help the country out.

    Isn't that a Mao line of thought? What next? Mandatory abortions and euthanasia to any kid born or found in the womb to be mentally deficient/retarded or otherwise a "financial burden"?

    Maybe we should limit couples to 1 child, think of the dough we'll save!
    I agree it has limited use in an economic stimulus package. You can say its tied to the economy in some way, but there's no way this is going to STIMULATE the economy.

    But this is more an over all symptom of how in general extreme liberals like Pelosi try to get their views in. They know they can't come right out and say it most time, so it builds over time. Want to get to a point where the government is controlling how many kids you're allowed to have? You don't start with that. You start by giving a ton of different ways that people with kids, especially lots of kids, get to get large amounts of government money. You then start up saying you need to use government money to fund ways for people to have less kids becasue it impacts the economy due to how much government money they get, putting it into the publics mind that "Kids = Economic Difficulty". And from there you continue.

    This is the same way you build upon wanting "regulation" to then "government oversight" to then "government control....its the same way you can use global warming and the whole "better safe than sorry" argument to slowly move up to the point where everyone is told what cars they can have, what houses they can live in, how much things they can buy, etc.

    And notice I am saying the extreme left wing. I do not think the END result of many of these things are actually what MOST liberals start out wanting or thinking they want. However, its for that reason that those on the extreme left have realized how to slowly but surely manipulate those on their ideological side gradually, slowly implementing things and increasing it step by step so its a gradual increase that begins to "make sense", so that when the final parts are put into place it doesn't seem like a large leap but a logical step.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I have two thoughts on this:

    1) As long as people have the right to make a choice in birth control, I am not against helping them.

    2) However, help should come from the states, not the Federal government.
    Agreed, if it happens it should be from a state level.

    Also gotta agree with hautey in general about the "lazy" factor. CAN condoms fail? Yes, but its generally a rarity and the majority of the times it does its due to 1) ignorance or stupidity 2) laziness. Are some people allergic? Yes, but its a miniscule amount of the population.

    Additionally, if we're saying that we're giving birth control aid to people for the "public good" then the only acceptable form should be condoms as they're the only one that stops both the things that could potentially put a drain on the economy and the public....unwanted pregnancy and diseases.

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How is that my fault? Or yours for that matter? Why does my money need to go to people too lazy to buy condoms? This is a matter of common sense.
    Many people above and beyond those that are allergic to condoms simply do not like them, nor the perceived lack of intimacy when wearing them.

    Like it or not there are many who refuse to wear condoms for various reasons, call it laziness, call it unwillingness to sacrifice a little sensation for protections sake, however the fact remains, many people do not and will not wear them, for those in a commited relationship it is MUCH more feasible to use other types of BC such as simply taking a little pill every day. NOt to mention condoms do break or slip off once in a while, I suppose you never had to play a game of "where the hell did that condom go" before?

    Again this is a matter of practicality, and to recycle a line of reasoning from my last post.. what are you going to do wave a magic condom wand and suddenly everyone wears one?

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Sure personal responsibility is something that we are certainly lacking, but how do you propose we suddenly make everyone responsible? Do we just wave a magic responsibility wand in the air and suddenly the entire population becomes responsible and unwanted pregnancies cease?
    The Magic Wand you're waving seems to be money. So far the reasons for this part of the plan have been :

    1. Couples in long term relationships don't want to use condoms.

    - Bull****. It's not my fault you're too lazy to pick up condoms.

    2. There are no reasons for long term couples to use condoms.

    - Really? How about unwanted pregnancies?

    3. Irritability to latex condoms.

    - less then 10% of the population being allergic to latex does not justify spending hundreds of millions on this.

    4. Condoms are expensive?

    - Really? How? Condoms get less expensive the more you pay. 12 packs going as cheaply as $7.

    So what do we have left? People who the rest of us are supposed to carry because they're too lazy and irresponsible to use condoms.
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Not to mention (in regards to them being expensive) there are generally numerous places in cities that you can go and get free condoms if its that big of a deal.

    As to "not wanting to" use them. My freaking tax dollars shouldn't be going to paying for your wife to get birth control because "you don't want" to use condoms because they're inconvient or it feels better without them.

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, but you can quit rewarding them for such behavior, take a few years but the message will get out there and make a diff.
    I think the urge to have sex and the desire to procreate is just a bit stronger than the desire to attain government handouts as a reward for productive pleasures.

    With or without the handouts the child is still a costly burden.

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not to mention (in regards to them being expensive) there are generally numerous places in cities that you can go and get free condoms if its that big of a deal.

    As to "not wanting to" use them. My freaking tax dollars shouldn't be going to paying for your wife to get birth control because "you don't want" to use condoms because they're inconvient or it feels better without them.
    I'm really surprised nobody's said I hate poor people yet. - Had I been bhkad or aquapub we'd have had a barrage of attacks. But seriously. There is no reason for this other then giving money to people who are irresponsible.
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So what do we have left? People who the rest of us are supposed to carry because they're too lazy and irresponsible to use condoms.
    So you would rather pay for their unwanted pregnancy with WIC, food stamps, childcare, welfare, section 8(becuase they are more qualified as a single parent), and child tax credits? FYI- you are already paying for their irresponsiblity by much, much, much more.

    Also- I am not necessarily for spending all that money on birth control, but I would like to see the government help to make it more affordable and available to low income families and those without insurance.
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