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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    FYI: Actually, this is NOT a Mao line of thought. Mao wanted women to have as many babies as possible, awarding women with large numbers of babies with awards. This is one of the reasons China has a massive overpopulation problem today.


    I consider adding "Family Planning" to the economic stimulus package on the grounds it will "Help the economy" to be rather a bit dishonest and absurd.

    So I tried to make that point by going a bit absurd myself.

    Twas part of the fun my dear.

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Is there anybody left in America who can't afford a pack of 3 anymore? They're like $6 for a generic brand....I don't see why money needs to be thrown at it. What forms of 'birth control' Is she talking about? Condoms are like a buck each and I know for fact in Compton alone there are AT LEAST 40 places that will give em to you for free. So as much as I'd like to I simply don't see the sense in this. I mean....yeah birth control. Woohoo. But the most basic form of birth control is so cheap nowadays it doesn't even make sense for the government to put money into the matter anymore.

    Most people in commited relationships do not want to use condoms and those are the people who are most likely to end up with an unwanted pregnancy. I am guessing she is aiming at women who are in that type of situation. Not really wanting to get pregnant, but maybe can't always afford birth control each month.
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

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    Twas part of the fun my dear.
    I do agree that adding this into the stimulus package is not right. But it would not bother me to see separate contraceptive programs for family planning in the future.

    The stimulus package is supposed to provide shoring up of the economy to create jobs quickly. The family planning part is more long range.

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    DRUDGE FLASH 2009: PELOSI SAYS BIRTH CONTROL WILL HELP ECONOMY

    Right, so let me get this straight, children are a burden on society, so we should limit children to help the country out.

    Isn't that a Mao line of thought? What next? Mandatory abortions and euthanasia to any kid born or found in the womb to be mentally deficient/retarded or otherwise a "financial burden"?

    Maybe we should limit couples to 1 child, think of the dough we'll save!
    So if you're against the government funding birth control, then you must support one of the following: A) Having the state dole out endless welfare for single mothers with ten children, or B) Allow those children to die in poverty for the horrible crime of popping out of the wrong vagina. Which is it? A or B?

    Promoting birth control is very practical. One of the biggest sources of poverty (aside from substance abuse) is having too many kids at too young an age.
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So if you're against the government funding birth control, then you must support one of the following: A) Having the state dole out endless welfare for single mothers with ten children, or B) Allow those children to die in poverty for the horrible crime of popping out of the wrong vagina. Which is it? A or B?

    Promoting birth control is very practical. One of the biggest sources of poverty (aside from substance abuse) is having too many kids at too young an age.
    Economic Stimulus Package... does not need to include "birth control". That's my problem with her statement. Sheesh peeps.

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Economic Stimulus Package... does not need to include "birth control". That's my problem with her statement. Sheesh peeps.
    It "does not need" to include anything, by this rationale.
    And yet it will contain some things, and it won't contain other things.
    Deal with it.

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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Economic Stimulus Package... does not need to include "birth control". That's my problem with her statement. Sheesh peeps.
    Do you deny that people irresponsibly having unprotected sex and having children they can't afford is a source of poverty? Or do you deny that poverty is a serious leak in our economic growth? Or do you deny that plugging a serious leak in our economic growth is the same thing as stimulating the economy?
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Most people in commited relationships do not want to use condoms and those are the people who are most likely to end up with an unwanted pregnancy.
    How is that my fault? Or yours for that matter? Why does my money need to go to people too lazy to buy condoms? This is a matter of common sense. People in America aren't having ANYWHERE near as much unprotected sex as 60-70 years ago. For God's sake we have literally some of the lowest birth rates of any country in the World. It just doesn't make sense to spend money on this on the basis that poor people are breeding like rats because they simply aren't. We spend BILLIONS annually on poverty programs. These include the very issues Pelosi addresses. It just doesn't make sense to add more money to those already existing programs. 'Birth Control' is simply so cheap that 'being in a long term relationship' is no reason to not go out and get some. It's a reason to claim irresponsibility though and this is not a mentality the government should endorse by giving them money. We should keep the amount of money we give to these prevention programs at the same level. Not increase their funding on what are clearly false pretenses.

    I am guessing she is aiming at women who are in that type of situation. Not really wanting to get pregnant, but maybe can't always afford birth control each month.
    ....Ummmm condoms? $6 a 3 pack...Seriously this isn't rocket science. I don't see why tax payer money needs to be thrown at something which is clear like black and white or a fat panda and I'm not exactly a fiscal conservative.
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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    DRUDGE FLASH 2009: PELOSI SAYS BIRTH CONTROL WILL HELP ECONOMY

    Right, so let me get this straight, children are a burden on society, so we should limit children to help the country out.

    Isn't that a Mao line of thought? What next? Mandatory abortions and euthanasia to any kid born or found in the womb to be mentally deficient/retarded or otherwise a "financial burden"?

    Maybe we should limit couples to 1 child, think of the dough we'll save!
    Every poor baby prevented is like money in the bank. Poor people are a luxury we just can't afford.


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    Re: Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How is that my fault? Or yours for that matter? Why does my money need to go to people too lazy to buy condoms?



    ....Ummmm condoms? $6 a 3 pack...Seriously this isn't rocket science. I don't see why tax payer needs to be thrown at something which is clear like black and white or a fat panda and I'm not exactly a fiscal conservative.

    It's not about the money or being lazy, people in commited relationships simply do not want to use condoms. If they have been tested, there is absolutely no need for them and seeing how they are $6 a 3 pack- For people having sex atleast once a day that's over $60/month.

    Also the typical pregnancy rate for condoms is at 14%, that's only slightly lower than the withdrawal method. Compare that to actual birth control at between .01% - 5%. That's a pretty good difference and would make a bigger impact controlling unwanted pregnancies.




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