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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    Where you for the Federal government's bailout of the Big 3?
    No I was not. However, I am also not for a drastic shift in standards set by two or three states that will further damage their ability to recover.

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Let's see. You. You are no longer talking about efficiency which is a proven fact in Europe and Japan. You're talking about something entirely new. I suppose that's not raising the bar, it's changing the subject. But given your behavior here, it's not surprising.
    Actually I asked

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    Do they really, please which ones? And examples of this "lower cost higher efficiency" please.
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    Clearly you don't get out much. Ever hear of a Smart Car?
    I have, there is one here on campus. It's a niche market car. Good for single people, or folks that have more then one car.

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    Of course there is a reason. Moron Americans have too much huge cars they don't need that pose a real threat to every small car on the road.
    AH HA! Here we go, you are one arrogant snob you know that? Who the hell do you think you are to say what kinda car I, or anyone else should drive? I want an SUV. Something I can travel with my family in comfortably and safely, and for hauling stuff around. And I just like em.

    I have a 2008 Ford Focus and it hits 35mpghw

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    Highly efficient cars suffer from the same problem as a fit does when hit by a hummer.

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Great. So now, Detroit most likely won't be able to sell it's cars in California. Way to stimulate that economy, Obama. Dumbass.
    It does seem a bit reckless when the American car industry is near death to sick some overzealous California legislature on them. Perhaps it's a mercy kill? Finally pull the plug on Detroit once and for all type thing? Let's just hope the environmentalists in California and some of the other over the top states don't get too carried away with setting standards. It would be nice if they aimed for reasonable improvement but I have a feeling they are going to go the dream the impossible dream route and continue to remind us all about the fabulous bike lines they love so much. I think here in Olympia a politician has an orgasm every time a new bike lane is put in. Here, they'd like to see cars go the way of the dodo bird. They upkeep the precious bike lines and constantly are making and connecting new trails while the roads go to hell with pot holes.

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    It does seem a bit reckless when the American car industry is near death to sick some overzealous California legislature on them. Perhaps it's a mercy kill? Finally pull the plug on Detroit once and for all type thing? Let's just hope the environmentalists in California and some of the other over the top states don't get too carried away with setting standards. It would be nice if they aimed for reasonable improvement but I have a feeling they are going to go the dream the impossible dream route and continue to remind us all about the fabulous bike lines they love so much. I think here in Olympia a politician has an orgasm every time a new bike lane is put in. Here, they'd like to see cars go the way of the dodo bird. They upkeep the precious bike lines and constantly are making and connecting new trails while the roads go to hell with pot holes.
    People are going to drive cars in California. If new mileage standards are passed, cars will be sold in California that meet the standards. If not enough cars can be sold (very unlikely) and people in California are unable to buy cars, the suburban masses will protest and standards will be lowered. This is a democracy. Leave the issue to the states.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No I was not. However, I am also not for a drastic shift in standards set by two or three states that will further damage their ability to recover.
    I believe it looks like we'll have 13 (give or take) states who will have either signed onto tougher standards or are considering adopting California's.

    Regardless of how you are trying to portray this, the fact of the matter is that we are talking about more than just one or two states.
    Affiant further sayeth not.

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    People are going to drive cars in California. If new mileage standards are passed, cars will be sold in California that meet the standards. If not enough cars can be sold (very unlikely) and people in California are unable to buy cars, the suburban masses will protest and standards will be lowered. This is a democracy. Leave the issue to the states.
    Oh I think cars will be sold. I just think this pulls the plug on the American Auto Industry.

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    A Vauxhall is nothing more than another crappy GM car...
    See below.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    What does that have to do with the discussion? No one said anything about importing a European car. Oh, I see, this was meant to show that European cars don't get better gas mileage.

    The Vauxhall Agila gets 62.8mpg and has a list price of 7,631.05 which is about 10k U
    S. (for the show model which is more expensive than the base model)
    Sounds a bit over the top compared to a "another crappy GM car"
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Oh I think cars will be sold. I just think this pulls the plug on the American Auto Industry.
    I say good riddance. If they aren't able to produce a decent car like the rest of the competition seems to be able to, then they deserve to fail.

    WHAT HAPPENED TO TOUTING THE FREE MARKET?
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    I say good riddance. If they aren't able to produce a decent car like the rest of the competition seems to be able to, then they deserve to fail.

    WHAT HAPPENED TO TOUTING THE FREE MARKET?
    I would LOVE to agree...

    I just can't bring myself to overlook the 1 in 10 Americans who will be heavily effected by US auto industry failure.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    I would LOVE to agree...

    I just can't bring myself to overlook the 1 in 10 Americans who will be heavily effected by US auto industry failure.
    Seriously, they are going to fail eventually so why not now? 1 in 10 Americans will find work in some other industry. Hell, they may even go work for Toyota or Honda in one of their AMERICAN plants.
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