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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Great. So now, Detroit most likely won't be able to sell it's cars in California. Way to stimulate that economy, Obama. Dumbass.
    Where you for the Federal government's bailout of the Big 3?

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Whose raising the bar?
    Let's see. You. You are no longer talking about efficiency which is a proven fact in Europe and Japan. You're talking about something entirely new. I suppose that's not raising the bar, it's changing the subject. But given your behavior here, it's not surprising.

    If those cars were so great, why aren't hey being sold over here all ready?
    Clearly you don't get out much. Ever hear of a Smart Car?

    There is a reason, an it has everything to do with reality and that trumps your fantasy about 50 MPG cars on US Roads.
    Of course there is a reason. Moron Americans have too much huge cars they don't need that pose a real threat to every small car on the road. Highly efficient cars suffer from the same problem as a fit does when hit by a hummer.

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That is a crock. I would love to get a Vauxhall down here and can't because it won't pass any states emission or cafe standards, it has to be retrofitted which would basically invalidate the warranty, it is an English car BTW.
    A Vauxhall is nothing more than another crappy GM car...

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ....really? How?
    Higher car taxes I suppose.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And that's bad? Furthermore by doing this we can force our own producers to innovate to meet the requirements and then sell those cars to other countries raising our exports and increasing our economy. Honda made billions off inventing a highly efficient engine that could meet emission standards without having to install a catalytic converter.
    Think about how much Toyota has made with their hybrid technology. The Prius still has a nine month wait to get one.

    How many years ahead was Toyota with their hybrids versus US automakers? Why do you think that happened?

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In this case the two are rather close. Letting Cali decide this, hurts us all.
    As stated in other places, it's cheaper to make cars the same, not make "Cali cars".
    I, personally, would like to drive a car with California emmissions standards. Mine meets Japanese emmissions standards, which may be even higher than California's.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    It's gonna suck for people who have old P.O.S. cars that barely make the emissions requirements as is.

    I can't imagine already being in that position and now being told that you can't use your car
    In Washington state it has always been if you fail your emissions test and can produce receipts showing that you spent at least $300 to fix the problem....and still failed, you could get a waiver.

    At least it used to be that way.


    EDIT: Here is what it says regarding waivers for Washington State:

    Any emission test facility can provide you with a waiver, if your vehicle fails the initial test, is repaired by an Authorized Emission Specialist and fails its second test. All emission components must be present, connected and operating properly. You must provide proof that at least the minimum amount required for the waiver was spent for proper diagnosis and emission-related repairs. Refer to the brochure provided to you when your vehicle first failed for waiver requirement information.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Just be thankful you aren't in Singapore where you are not allowed to have a car older than three years old on the road.
    I've been to Singapore dozens of times and I think you're wrong. As a matter of fact the taxes in Singapore for new cars are so high that it normally DOUBLES the price of the car. People actually take out "mortgages" on their cars and stretch the payments out over 10 or more years.

    They also have strict traffic restriction zones where you have to pay a toll to go into the more populous and busy areas. They collect the toll electronically like EZ-Pass in the States.

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Really I'm really not surprised but that cuts off a lot of history
    Some fun Singapore car facts:

    Owning a Vehicle in Singapore
    The 2 main factors that impact the cost of car ownership in Singapore are:

    * The vehicle tax regime including import duties, additional registration fees (ARF) and road tax.

    * The Vehicle Quota System which limits the vehicle population growth in Singapore to approximately 3% per annum. The tool which is used to limit the number of cars registered in Singapore is the Certificate of Entitlement or COE. Each vehicle registered in Singapore must have an accompanying COE which is “attached” to the vehicle throughout the vehicle’s lifespan. For more information on the Vehicle Quota System and COEs, please visit Land Transport Authority (The Land Transport Authority) and ONE.MOTORING - Home (a central motoring portal).

    The purchase price of a new car is made up of the following components:
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    OMV Open Market Value or import value of the car as assessed by Singapore Customs $20,000
    Import Duty Currently 20% of the OMV $4,000
    GST Currently 5% of import value $1,200
    ARF Currently 110% of OMV $22,000
    Registration fee Currently at $140 $140
    Sub-Total Base cost before local accessory installation, number plates, COE, insurance, road tax, etc and any dealer profit. $47,340

    Financial Information on Car Ownership in Singapore

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    I've been to Singapore dozens of times and I think you're wrong. As a matter of fact the taxes in Singapore for new cars are so high that it normally DOUBLES the price of the car. People actually take out "mortgages" on their cars and stretch the payments out over 10 or more years.
    I know about the taxes. As for the three-year old rule, it was in place nine years ago when I spent a summer there. It is possible (though I am not aware of it) that the rules have changed.

    Note: after writing this, I have read that there is a new inspection system in place for cars more than three years old, so obviously the rule has been changed.

    They also have strict traffic restriction zones where you have to pay a toll to go into the more populous and busy areas. They collect the toll electronically like EZ-Pass in the States.
    More and more cities around the world are going to exclusion zones. In cities with good public transport, like Singapore, it is practical. It would be in Taipei as well, but not where I live.
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