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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Just be thankful you aren't in Singapore where you are not allowed to have a car older than three years old on the road.
    Really I'm really not surprised but that cuts off a lot of history

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Then that increases incentives to create mass transit, something we really, really, really need.

    People seem to have this odd notion that really poor people are buying cars. Where does that notion come from?

    And you ignore the flip side. The less we innovate, the further our position in the world economy slips. Who's going to get dumped on even more when that piper comes to collect his money? Those already in a ****ty position.
    American automotive innovation is at a low ebb right now. Here in Taiwan, American cars are on the market, but the Japanese makers hold a DOMINANT position here. Nearly every car on the road here is a Toyota, Honda, or Nissan. I even see European makes more often than American counterparts. It isn't that Taiwanese don't like the US, rather Taiwan is one of the most pro-US countries in Asia. However, they don't see US cars as meeting ther needs due largely to fuel efficiency.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I didn't say that. You're cute though when you try to be witty.

    I can be for states rights and disagree with what a state does now can't I?
    But you seem to be criticizing Obama's allowing states to have the right to strengthen standards, NOT the actual state actions.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    And is that feasible in the USA? Is the cost a point that wouldn't impact people? Are these cars the same size as US Cars?
    US cars are too big. That is part of the problem Detroit is having. People don't want big gas guzzlers. They want more fuel efficient models. Once the economic recession is over, the price of gasoline will return to the levels we saw last summer. Most people won't want SUVs anymore, they will want mid-sized models. How many Americans are driving Japanese cars these days? Ever think as to why?
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Really I'm really not surprised but that cuts off a lot of history
    They commonly sell their three-year-old plus models to Malaysians in neighboring Johore.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    But you seem to be criticizing Obama's allowing states to have the right to strengthen standards, NOT the actual state actions.
    In this case the two are rather close. Letting Cali decide this, hurts us all.
    As stated in other places, it's cheaper to make cars the same, not make "Cali cars".

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    That doesnt stop me from feeling bad for people that can't afford to get another car.
    Maybe you should look at the real reason those people can't afford cars in the first place.

    Whining about those who can't afford them independent of the slight additional costs for emissions is rather moot when they can't afford it before the emissions standards.

    I am ignoring nothing. I simply stated that I "Can't imagine how much that would suck" for them.
    Well, what is the alternative? Give every poor person $20,000 to go buy a car?
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    And is that feasible in the USA? Is the cost a point that wouldn't impact people? Are these cars the same size as US Cars?
    Nice fallacy of raising the bar. No longer are you asking about the efficiency. Why am I not surprised? Yes, their cars are smaller, but they are also more efficient.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    American automotive innovation is at a low ebb right now. Here in Taiwan, American cars are on the market, but the Japanese makers hold a DOMINANT position here. Nearly every car on the road here is a Toyota, Honda, or Nissan. I even see European makes more often than American counterparts. It isn't that Taiwanese don't like the US, rather Taiwan is one of the most pro-US countries in Asia. However, they don't see US cars as meeting ther needs due largely to fuel efficiency.
    Pretty much. The serious lack of any CAFE increases coupled with low gas taxes has effectively allowed American car manufacturers to stagnate. Low quality, poor efficiency, old technology, it's no wonder that the Japanese are KATNs.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Nice fallacy of raising the bar. No longer are you asking about the efficiency. Why am I not surprised? Yes, their cars are smaller, but they are also more efficient.
    Whose raising the bar?

    IF those cars were so great, why aren't hey being sold over here all ready? There is a reason, an it has everything to do with reality and that trumps your fantasy about 50 MPG cars on US Roads.

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