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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    This works in the favor of larger states in the end. In the age where what we do with the environment matters, Ford, Toyota and GM won't go after 400,000 people in some underpopulated state in America when they can go after Cali and NY. They'll go after the larger markets. And the larger markets tend to be the more environmentally conscious ones. Meaning they'll be more likely to create cars that pollute less because that's what the majority of market asks for.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    More campaign promises being kept by President Obama! This is a good one and one that let's states decide what is right for their specific air quality needs. More Bush anti-science anti-environmental retardation wiped out with one swipe of the pen.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/26/us...f.html?_r=1&hp
    Great. So now, Detroit most likely won't be able to sell it's cars in California. Way to stimulate that economy, Obama. Dumbass.

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Great. So now, Detroit most likely won't be able to sell it's cars in California. Way to stimulate that economy, Obama. Dumbass.
    Detroit won't be able to sell it's cars in California? You're acting like Hyundai, Honda and Toyota don't have the market cornered in California as it is. Why would Detroit even attempt to sell it's cars in California anyway? It simply will not compete in the most environmentally conscious state in all America. In states that simply don't care because the majority of the population doesn't care? Sure. But you're acting like California is the perfect market for companies who are going under because they ignored everyone telling them that gas guzzlers weren't going to do good in the future.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Great. So now, Detroit most likely won't be able to sell it's cars in California. Way to stimulate that economy, Obama. Dumbass.
    What this move is going to do is make it to where one state can basically set the standards for every single other state in the US.

    In order to make money a company has to mass produce something. I'm sure that you've all noticed that specialty items cost more than mass produced items (generic). So if for example California set the standard that all automobiles must get 100mpg then in order to get the best possible market coverage and money the automakers will start mass producing auto's with that standard and selling them everywhere. Eventually it will get to the point where our current minimum wage is at. Most states will have it above federal. As a matter of fact most states won't even have to set regulations. Just one state will. I don't know about you but having one state that isn't federal (ie doesn't require as much effort or as strict a standards as the federal is held to, to enact a law/standard) start enacting standards that affect the whole country to be dangerous.

    As a side note personally I consider much of the laws that California enacts to be a detriment to my privacy and freedom. You honestly couldn't pay me any amount of money to voluntarily go to California.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    More campaign promises being kept by President Obama! This is a good one and one that let's states decide what is right for their specific air quality needs. More Bush anti-science anti-environmental retardation wiped out with one swipe of the pen.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/26/us...f.html?_r=1&hp
    It's kind of naive to think that the air quality in one state has no impact on other states.

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    This sounds like a lose for everyone.

    This is going to raise the cost of new vehicles... damn, more screw the poor to make the rich feel good about saving the earth... GOOD JOB!

    While I'm all for states rights... this is gonna raise the cost of cars for everyone.
    The odd thing is that in other countries, countries that don't worship their cars like we do, have higher fuel efficiency and lower cost...

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What this move is going to do is make it to where one state can basically set the standards for every single other state in the US.

    In order to make money a company has to mass produce something. I'm sure that you've all noticed that specialty items cost more than mass produced items (generic). So if for example California set the standard that all automobiles must get 100mpg then in order to get the best possible market coverage and money the automakers will start mass producing auto's with that standard and selling them everywhere. Eventually it will get to the point where our current minimum wage is at. Most states will have it above federal. As a matter of fact most states won't even have to set regulations. Just one state will. I don't know about you but having one state that isn't federal (ie doesn't require as much effort or as strict a standards as the federal is held to, to enact a law/standard) start enacting standards that affect the whole country to be dangerous.

    As a side note personally I consider much of the laws that California enacts to be a detriment to my privacy and freedom. You honestly couldn't pay me any amount of money to voluntarily go to California.
    California has been doing this for decades. Remember when catalytic converters first came out? I lived in CA for almost 20 years and there were have always been "california" cars. How about vehicle inspections? I don't know if every state requires them now or not but it used to be that people would drive across state lines to register their cars so because there was no inspection required...

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    The odd thing is that in other countries, countries that don't worship their cars like we do, have higher fuel efficiency and lower cost...
    Do they really, please which ones? And examples of this "lower cost higher efficiency" please.

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Do they really, please which ones? And examples of this "lower cost higher efficiency" please.
    Well, right off the top of my head there's the fiat, which gets an average of 50miles/gallon. That makes my toyota corolla (at 30miles/gallon) an absolute gas hog by comparison.

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    It's gonna suck for people who have old P.O.S. cars that barely make the emissions requirements as is.

    I can't imagine already being in that position and now being told that you can't use your car
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