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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    This is great for states who want to raise their standards. However, I worry that those mid western states whose pollution is killing upstate New York's lakes, streams, trees, wildlife, etc. will choose to not raise their own standards because it might cost their polluting businesses some money.

    It seems to me this is one of those that belongs in the Feds bucket.

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    There are already Federally set standards that every state has to meet, but this new thing lets them set it higher if they wish, while Bush didn't, so people still usd oil.
    Nothing "new" about this. California and some western states set their own standards years ago, probably before Bush, but he did nothing to stop them...
    "Still use oil" ?
    What else is there, coal ?
    nuclear ?
    McDonald's cooking grease ?...which some Mercedes owners use..

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    To let states, right? So basically, if they happen to not want to, they don't have to set standards?
    No it's not that way. Either states adopt the minimum standards as set by the federal government or an enhanced version a la California.

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    This sounds like a lose for everyone.

    This is going to raise the cost of new vehicles... damn, more screw the poor to make the rich feel good about saving the earth... GOOD JOB!

    While I'm all for states rights... this is gonna raise the cost of cars for everyone.
    HUH? You're against cleaner air and stricter MPG requirements? So you're pro-pollution and pro oil addiction? WOW!

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Nothing "new" about this. California and some western states set their own standards years ago, probably before Bush, but he did nothing to stop them...
    "Still use oil" ?
    What else is there, coal ?
    nuclear ?
    McDonald's cooking grease ?...which some Mercedes owners use..
    Actually Bush stopped states from setting higher standards than the Federal ones which is what President Obama has reversed.

    The bottom line is that Bush did nothing for the environment unless his oil buddies could make money on it then he was Mr. Green (actually very green as in MONEY)!

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    This sounds like a lose for everyone.

    This is going to raise the cost of new vehicles... damn, more screw the poor to make the rich feel good about saving the earth... GOOD JOB!

    While I'm all for states rights... this is gonna raise the cost of cars for everyone.
    You are the most anti-innovation person I have ever met in my entire life.

    Increasing these standards, especially when they relate to fuel economy is the future. Are people buying cars with low MPG? The whole notion that letting car manufactures build cars with low CAFE standards as a way to help them is just insane. It's like saying that we're going to allow car manufactures to build vehicles without safety features to save costs. What whackjob is doing to buy a car without seat belts, airbags, hazard lights, etc? By forcing firms to abide to such regulation you force them to innovate. Those innovates can be sold and licensed out to generate huge sums of money. Do you know just how much money defense contractors make from purely licensing? Know how they got those patents? By massive govenrment contracts mandating the specific requirements for their projects.

    The top selling cars outside of trucks are all cars with great fuel mileage. They also happen to have relatively low emissions. There's a correlation here.

    And the poor aren't those buying cars. Navy made an idiotic statement in the past how no one used the mass transit in Seattle. Someone responded with data showing that ridership was somewhere around 25% of the entire city population. Fewer cars creates incentives to build mass transit. And mass transit is often electricity based. That means fewer imports of oil from dictators around the world. Now, I don't know about YOU, but I'd rather have my money go towards my state government rather then the Jack***es in Iran. Maybe you like funding the guys trying to murder all of us.

    Plus the notion that this will raise costs to unacceptable levels isn't supported by history. Catalytic converters cost nowhere near what Detroit claimed they were and Honda in a move of brilliance redesigned its engines to do without the converter to meet the standards and then licensed that engine out to make billions.

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    MrVicchio wrote.
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    (This is going to raise the cost of new vehicles... )

    You may well be correct, but what you should have said.
    This is going to raise the cost of new US manufactured vehicles...

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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    No it's not that way. Either states adopt the minimum standards as set by the federal government or an enhanced version a la California.
    Ahhh. thanks for the explanation. That's a horse of a different color.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Ahhh. thanks for the explanation. That's a horse of a different color.
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    Re: Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    HUH? You're against cleaner air and stricter MPG requirements? So you're pro-pollution and pro oil addiction? WOW!
    This is the most asanine post I've seen in weeks. This is like saying because you're for gitmo closing and for constitutional rights to those suspected of being terrorists that means you're pro-terrorist attacks and pro-muslim rule of the world. Or its like saying since you're for this then you're pro-nanny state? You're pro-government controling your life? You're pro-socialism. :roll

    This isn't debate, its drivel.

    I happen to agree with Lud, this is a win for state rights. I in no way shape or form want my state FORCING automakeres, and thus the public, to have to buy cars with higher fuel standards if they don't want to do it and I will vote against people in my state that push for it. But if a state wishes to pass such laws they should be free to do so.

    If this was the federal government doing it I'd be extremely opposed to it.

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