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    Vatican attacks US abortion move

    OK, so Pope Benedict is getting on his high horse and condemning America for not practicing what he preaches. But before he throws stones at us, he needs to clean up his own back yard. His condemning America for allowing abortions is fine and dandy, but he has said nothing of his own past, when he was a member of the Hitler Youth Movement.

    Now, I know in advance what some Pope supporters are going to say - "He joined because he had to". My response? NO, he didn't have to. He could have followed the footsteps of Peter, who was persecuted for standing up to Rome, and who was martyred. I know, I know, it is hard for someone to risk death like that, but Pope Benedict isn't just an ordinary person. He is the Pope, for Christ sake. He REPRESENTS Christianity, at least the Catholic version of Christianity. I think the church could have picked a much better representative of the faith. There were plenty of people in his own village in Germany who risked prison camp by hiding Jews. Ratzinger (Benedict) chose not to get involved. There was a death camp close to his home, so he saw what was going on, and still chose not to take a side, and even obeyed Adolf Hitler, and joined the Nazi Youth.

    And this is the man who dares to tell America to wipe the mote from its eye? How about he remove the beam from his own eye first?

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    One final note: I have made it clear in previous posts that I do NOT believe the UN owns the United States. Let me make it equally clear that neither does the Pope, especially a religiously lukewarm one like Benedict.
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    Re: Vatican attacks US abortion move

    He's just going through the motions though really, isn't he? He's doing what the pope does. I couldn't care less what the Pope thinks, but that's not due to him being a Nazi bandwagoner some 60-odd years ago. I don't care just because he's the pope. Does he really have so much credibility and influence in the modern world that his tortured past is a big deal? I think most people think of his postion as a primarily political one now. He is paying his political dues; saying what he's supposed to say.

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    Re: Vatican attacks US abortion move

    Just one thing, he joined the Hitler Youth. As in, children. As in, you're asking a child to sacrifice his life. Comparing that to Peter's martyrdom, or saying he should be judged on those actions forever, is a bit of a stretch.

    As for his lambasting the US, well, I could care less.
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    Re: Vatican attacks US abortion move

    You make it sound like he had a CHOICE in being a member of the Hitler Youth.

    I would say his post Nazi-Germany life is a direct repudiation of the evil of the Nazis in Germany.

    As for abortion, he is simply re-iterating the teachings that the Church has promoted long before he became the Pope. He is not claiming to own the United States just as the UN is not. He is stating his opinion of the US decision. While the US can choose or not choose to heed his admonitions, don't forget that the US has the world's fourth largest Catholic population.
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    Re: Vatican attacks US abortion move

    WOW! What a Shock! What a bunch of hypocites

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    Re: Vatican attacks US abortion move

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    Just one thing, he joined the Hitler Youth. As in, children. As in, you're asking a child to sacrifice his life. Comparing that to Peter's martyrdom, or saying he should be judged on those actions forever, is a bit of a stretch.

    As for his lambasting the US, well, I could care less.
    OK, then. Let's talk about his adult life. Benedict just lifted the excommunications of 4 renegade Bishops, one of whom was a Holocaust denier.
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    Re: Vatican attacks US abortion move

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Dan, I think you are suffering from post papal depression.


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    Re: Vatican attacks US abortion move

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's a completely different issue.

    I this case, re-communicating 4 people who broke the pope's authority, one of whom believes historical data refutes the claim of 6m. The church has said it strogly disagrees with him, but that those are his personal views.

    I don't believe their going to have any power or anything like that, so it's a non-issue really.
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    Re: Vatican attacks US abortion move

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    WOW! What a Shock! What a bunch of hypocites
    Another statement from the ignorant regarding the Church, its teachings, and its history. You have tried this one before Kali. We are onto your tactics.
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    Re: Vatican attacks US abortion move

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    There is already a thread on this. The excommunication had NOTHING to do with the stance of ONE of the four bishops on the Holocaust. Read the relevant thread.
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