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    Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

    WASHINGTON (AFP) Two men released from the US "war on terror" prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba have appeared in a video posted on a jihadist website, the SITE monitoring service reported.

    One of the two former inmates, a Saudi man identified as Abu Sufyan al-Azdi al-Shahri, or prisoner number 372, has been elevated to the senior ranks of Al-Qaeda in Yemen, a US counter-terrorism official told AFP.

    Three other men appear in the video, including Abu al-Hareth Muhammad al-Oufi, identified as an Al-Qaeda field commander. SITE later said he was prisoner No. 333.

    A Pentagon spokesman, Commander Jeffrey Gordon, on Saturday declined to confirm the SITE information.

    "We remain concerned about ex-Guantanamo detainees who have re-affiliated with terrorist organizations after their departure," said Gordon.
    AFP: Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

    Shocking. How many more will we see in the coming months?

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    Re: Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

    What did you think was going to happen? We kept them in cages, humiliated them, shat on their holy bible. Are you seriously going to tell me that they would go back home and not speak a word of it, that they would forgive the torments they faced in that prison?

    Are you out of your mind?
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    Re: Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    What did you think was going to happen? We kept them in cages, humiliated them, shat on their holy bible. Are you seriously going to tell me that they would go back home and not speak a word of it, that they would forgive the torments they faced in that prison?

    Are you out of your mind?
    Then we should have shot them and be done with it.

    Or

    These were bad people, before, they were bad be in, and they are bad people now. Still we should have just shot them and been done with it.

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    Re: Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

    It's inevitable that this will happen. It's a natural consequence of having fair trials where guilt needs to be proven rather than innocence. If we don't have enough evidence, we have to turn them loose. Hopefully we'll have better evidence against them next time, or better yet, they'll be killed in a gun fight or bombing.

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    Re: Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Then we should have shot them and be done with it.

    Or

    These were bad people, before, they were bad be in, and they are bad people now. Still we should have just shot them and been done with it.
    So we should consider them guilty of crimes before they actually commit any?

    Please define a "bad person". While you are at it, please go through the list and tell me why each one of them was involuntarily thrown in a hell-hole, as in, what crime made them a "bad person" before.
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    Re: Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    So we should consider them guilty of crimes before they actually commit any?

    Please define a "bad person". While you are at it, please go through the list and tell me why each one of them was involuntarily thrown in a hell-hole, as in, what crime made them a "bad person" before.
    I know, in your mind these were peace loving innocent folk ripped from their homes by the bad evil Americans, and we can only blame ourselves for their turn to evil.

    It couldn't be they were captured acting against us, and since they don't wear uniforms, they lose the Geneva Convention POW coverage, and since they ain't American's no Constitution for them either.


    I should try such such fairy-tale thinking for a while, it must be nice to live there. Where the only bad guys are our own military and security forces, and there are no real bad guys, jsut the ones we create.
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    Re: Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I know, in your mind these were peace loving innocent folk ripped from their homes by the bad evil Americans, and we can only blame ourselves for their turn to evil.

    It couldn't be they were captured acting against us, and since they don't wear uniforms, they lose the Geneva Convention POW coverage, and since they ain't American's no Constitution for them either.


    I should try such such fairy-tale thinking for a while, it must be nice to live there. Where the only bad guys are our own military and security forces, and there are no real bad guys, jsut the ones we create.
    I didn't ask for you to spew any more of your "you're living in a fairy-tale" speech. I asked for you to put forth facts that find these men guilty before they were locked up in Guantanamo. You know, how a civilized society processes it's criminals having a reason as to why you are locking them up.

    I never said the American forces are "bad people". I do believe there are "bad people" within the American forces. There are "bad people" every where; to discern who is guilty and who isn't one must have.. you know... I believe that call them "trials", not to sure though..
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    Re: Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I didn't ask for you to spew any more of your "you're living in a fairy-tale" speech. I asked for you to put forth facts that find these men guilty before they were locked up in Guantanamo. You know, how a civilized society processes it's criminals having a reason as to why you are locking them up.

    I never said the American forces are "bad people". I do believe there are "bad people" within the American forces. There are "bad people" every where; to discern who is guilty and who isn't one must have.. you know... I believe that call them "trials", not to sure though..
    It's war, we don't have time for trials in war. Technically you can just shoot them on the battlefield, no questions asked.

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    Re: Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I asked for you to put forth facts that find these men guilty before they were locked up in Guantanamo. You know, how a civilized society processes it's criminals having a reason as to why you are locking them up.
    Maybe it was the terrorist type behavior that preceded their capture? Maybe it was a tip? Do you know? I don't care. We're not operating in a world of perfect, we are at war with the most cowardly of enemies.

    If you are at war and the enemy is not wearing uniforms, is hiding amongst civilians, uses Mosques, schools, hospitals...civilians as cover, and we grab a few "innocents" along the way... tough. That's the manner of war they foisted on their people. If we have to then send them through an obstacle course for them to prove their innocence... sorry... talk to your friendly neighborhood terrorists.

    The procedure is for professionals in our military to sort this through. Not our court system. What happens if we capture a couple thousand of these rats during battle? We have to read them their rights, and run them through our court system? It's not what is done during war. Maybe we can send them to your town for a nice siesta.

    What happens if there is a technical error made during the processing of said terrorist on the battlefield? He gets to skate non? After all, if the process isn't perfect, Ahmed the Terrorist gets a second chance to kill our soldiers. You think they won't know this?

    What this will result in is more dead terrorists and civilians.
    I guess that's the lib definition of humane.
    Every time you folks want to "help" someone, be it Ahmed the Terrorist or Joe Six-Pack, you always end up "screwing" them.

    This is just another instance.

    I sense you really hate America and the military?
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    Re: Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Maybe it was the terrorist type behavior that preceded their capture? Maybe it was a tip? Do you know? I don't care. We're not operating in a world of perfect, we are at war with the most cowardly of enemies.

    If you are at war and the enemy is not wearing uniforms, is hiding amongst civilians, uses Mosques, schools, hospitals...civilians as cover, and we grab a few "innocents" along the way... tough. That's the manner of war they foisted on their people. If we have to then send them through an obstacle course for them to prove their innocence... sorry... talk to your friendly neighborhood terrorists.

    The procedure is for professionals in our military to sort this through. Not our court system. What happens if we capture a couple thousand of these rats during battle? We have to read them their rights, and run them through our court system? It's not what is done during war. Maybe we can send them to your town for a nice siesta.

    What this will result in is more dead terrorists and civilians.
    I guess that's humane.

    I sense you really hate America and the military?
    No. I really love America and her military. I am proud that I was lucky enough to be born in this country, and that I am the rights and privileges that I do.

    But being a part of the greatest country in the world. I have an entire list of standards I wish my country to adhere to. One of them, apparently sad to these warmongers on the forum, is equality under the laws on which her founders established. The constitution doesn't say "All Men (by Men I mean those who are born within the imaginary lines of what will be known as the Under States) are created equal".

    Sure! Send them here. I'd love to have someone who has a different opinion of my country to live a day in my country and hate it that day they live in my country. They might even be accustomed to the sweet ice-tea extravaganza from Bojangles. If they say no to that then they couldn't possibly say no to a Bojangles chicken and cheese biscuit.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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