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    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    But that turns the conversation into a debate on whether one can "help" being gay or not.
    It doesn't matter. So long as you do not ACT on those impulses, you are ok. Heterosexuals also have to be on their guard for temptation as well. There are things that heterosexuals do that are equally sinful in the eyes of the Church.
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    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    I have a hot temper. That is a cross I bear. I can't "help" being hot tempered, but when I act upon that inclination--I sin. Then I repent of it and truly try to live according to the gentleness that Jesus taught.

    Homosexual attraction is a cross that some people bear. It is a very difficult struggle to live according to the teachings of Christ. Again--it is not the "inclination" to be hotheaded or homosexual that is the sin--it is the act of hostility or engaging in homosexual acts that is the sin. One CAN choose to master his or her inclinations by how he or she chooses to act.
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    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It doesn't matter. So long as you do not ACT on those impulses, you are ok. Heterosexuals also have to be on their guard for temptation as well. There are things that heterosexuals do that are equally sinful in the eyes of the Church.

    Key word there is EQUALLYin the eyes of God. Homosexuality is so blown out of proportion that you would think that it was the only sin.

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    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

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    Key word there is EQUALLYin the eyes of God. Homosexuality is so blown out of proportion that you would think that it was the only sin.

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    There are a lot of sins. We all commit them. The difference is our attitude toward those sins. I try to improve myself and get sin out of my life as much as humanly possible for me, and though I fail, I make an earnest effort. If you are living an open, homosexual lifestyle, are you earnestly trying to get that sin out of your life? If you are living a promiscuous heterosexual lifestyle, that is equally indicative of not earnestly trying to get the sin out of your life.
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    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Touche'
    I am done debating this. Not because I am angered of it, but it seems we have gotten to the barrier known as "fate'. And there is no logical way to argue faith.
    Where is "fate" or "faith" in that statement at all? What is there is WILL. A person can CHOOSE to act however he or she wants to by the power of his or her WILL. It is a CHOICE. And one can choose to be Catholic or not. However--if one chooses to be Catholic, but doesn't want to abide Catholic teaching, how can you fault the Church for saying--"Hey! That's not what we believe! We can't have you flouting our beliefs and leading others into confusion about where we stand! We'd like you to conform to the teaching of Jesus because we love you, so we hold you to a standard for the benefit of your immortal soul. Either follow our teaching and call yourself a Catholic, or don't--and DON'T."

    That's what denying communion does.
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    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    This thread is a perfect example of why I think all organized religions are stupid. All religion does is bring people together....to bicker.
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    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This thread is a perfect example of why I think all organized religions are stupid. All religion does is bring people together....to bicker.
    That there, my friends, is what the English teachers call "irony."

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    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Why are people allowed to mock governments, Islam, people and so forth but no the Catholic church? Am I missing something here or are the rules slightly slanted? Or just not set properly?
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    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This thread is a perfect example of why I think all organized religions are stupid. All religion does is bring people together....to bicker.
    ahhhh so so. When it comes to doctrines yeah there is bickering. Especially with me. I bicker with everybody. My wife has asked me more than once if there is anybody on the planet that I can actually agree on anything with.

    Nope.

    But that is the sad thing about forums. My face to face experiences are we bicker. then we sit down eat have a good time and then pray together and wish each other God speed. Those are things that forum goers never see or experience.

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    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    Why are people allowed to mock governments, Islam, people and so forth but no the Catholic church? Am I missing something here or are the rules slightly slanted? Or just not set properly?
    Probably because it does not get reported. I have seen mods step in and warn on a thread that is getting out of hand.

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