Page 5 of 16 FirstFirst ... 3456715 ... LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 154

Thread: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

  1. #41
    Advisor
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Nashville/Little Mexico Tennessee
    Last Seen
    06-02-09 @ 12:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    523

    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    That is just wrong. You hold the Church in such low regard out of ignorance of what she actually teaches:
    And now the church is a woman...? Cancer of...?
    Last edited by Rodney; 01-24-09 at 09:17 PM.

  2. #42
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    10-06-09 @ 03:03 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    11,946

    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    Amercan society has adopted rules and sytems of hate in my lifetime....PC,gender protectionism,affirmative action /and the rules there of..., a veritable police state,a gag order on the first ammendment...etc. Look Out...membership will be falling like a rock if we try to express oursleves in here. I tip my hat to the moderators for being leanient in enforceing this rule #18.
    Doesn't mean I shouldn't report it.

  3. #43
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    10-06-09 @ 03:03 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    11,946

    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    And now the church is a woman...?
    Boats are female too.


    Actually--the Church is metaphorically "Mother Church." She nurtures our spiritual development as mothers nurture their children as they grow.
    Last edited by Felicity; 01-24-09 at 09:17 PM.

  4. #44
    Familiaist


    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    North Carolina
    Last Seen
    11-16-16 @ 09:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    7,470

    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    That is just wrong. You hold the Church in such low regard out of ignorance of what she actually teaches:
    Philippe Naughton

    Pope Benedict was accused of stoking homophobia today after a speech in which he declared that saving humanity from homosexuality was just as important as saving the rainforest from destruction.

    .......

    Pope accused of stoking homophobia after he equates homosexuality to climate change -Times Online
    I have some friends who were kicked out, and refused communion because they were Catholic and were "seen holding hands with people of the same sex".
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

  5. #45
    Advisor
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Nashville/Little Mexico Tennessee
    Last Seen
    06-02-09 @ 12:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    523

    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Boats are female too.


    Actually--the Church is metaphorically "Mother Church." She nurtures our spiritual development as mothers nurture their children as they grow.
    ...Oh and the things we sailors have said aboat our boats.

  6. #46
    Sage
    Hatuey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:44 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    42,046

    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    We don't get to choose our brothers and sisters in Christ.
    This guy wasn't born a Bishop. He can be a Christian all he wants. He wasn't born a Bishop. Now save the Sunday school for somebody who cares. That the church allows him to keep any position in the church would be unheard in the political sector or private sector.

    There are Holocaust deniers everywhere.
    How many of them are Bishops?

    This is NOT the position of the church.
    Strawman.

    Being a Holocaust denier, as disgusting as that is, is NOT grounds for denial of the Sacrament.
    3 strawman.

    This is such a NON-ISSUE it is insane. The anti-Catholics are really grasping for straws on this one. It is amusing even if it wasn't accompanied by the same bigoted remarks the anti-Catholics always come up with regarding altar boys and the like.
    Who said I was anti Catholic? 'Religious Victim Card' much?
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

  7. #47
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    04-02-15 @ 06:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    8,211

    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Sorry. I have very little respect for the Catholic church as a regime (there are of course great people within the Catholic church as there are everywhere).

    There is no critical thinking involved in the Pope able to, to continue this "Jesus eating with" metaphor, eat with a Nazi-Sympathizer and Holocaust denier, but not a homosexual.
    I'm not implying that you must respect anything but I don't fully understand why you feel the need to view the Catholic Church as a regime nor am I aware of what "it" has done to earn your scorn. Perhaps you could elaborate?

    Also, I'm not sure what your homosexual reference is trying to communicate. The Catholic Church actually has a very progressive position on homosexuals when one considers the view taken by Christians in general. It seems yet more elaboration is required...

  8. #48
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    10-06-09 @ 03:03 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    11,946

    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I have some friends who were kicked out, and refused communion because they were Catholic and were "seen holding hands with people of the same sex".
    A person who engages in homosexual behavior is sinning in the eyes of the Church because it is contrary to the sexual complimentarity of man and woman's creation. Furthermore, we were made in his image--and God is life generating. Man and woman were made to reflect the life generating love of God. Two men or two women can't do that--That is why the Church says it is contrary to God's design for mankind. It is not a loving act to confirm someone in what is contrary to what is deemed correct. The role of the Church is to instruct spiritually. She does her job by holding her adherents to the beliefs of the Church.

  9. #49
    Familiaist


    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    North Carolina
    Last Seen
    11-16-16 @ 09:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    7,470

    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I'm not implying that you must respect anything but I don't fully understand why you feel the need to view the Catholic Church as a regime nor am I aware of what "it" has done to earn your scorn. Perhaps you could elaborate?

    Also, I'm not sure what your homosexual reference is trying to communicate. The Catholic Church actually has a very progressive position on homosexuals when one considers the view taken by Christians in general. It seems yet more elaboration is required...
    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy
    I have some friends who were kicked out, and refused communion because they were Catholic and were "seen holding hands with people of the same sex".
    Okay let me try to explain my problem with the Catholic regime (the Papacy, I believe there are nunneries and the likes throughout the world who are nothing but wholesome beings.).

    The Vatican Council has defined as "a divinely revealed dogma" that "the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra -- that is, when in the exercise of his office as pastor and teacher of all Christians he defines, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the whole Church -- is, by reason of the Divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer wished His Church to be endowed in defining doctrines of faith and morals; and consequently that such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are irreformable of their own nature (ex sese) and not by reason of the Church's consent" (Densinger no. 1839 -- old no.

    CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Infallibility
    This is following an ancient reasoning (Deductive) that stinks of Medieval Papacy, which is not, in any sense of the word, Holy.

    The reasoning, as I understand it.
    If the Bible is the word of God, infallible. [True]
    If Christ deems Peter as infallible [True]
    If Peter indoctrinates the existence of the Papacy [True]
    Then, The Papacy is infallible.

    This is my basic qualm with it. I don't think there was, is, or ever will be an infallible being...

    Other then that, my spitefulness of the Church comes with ignorance. i have not lived a day in the shoe of a Catholic, so to speak.
    It is possibly also some sort of Neophobia, as I am terrified of their customs (not in a "oh look bear" terrified, but a fear), and their traditions (including the Pope thing).

    It could also have something to do with the atrocities the Pope committed throughout history. Including being supportive of the fascist regimes in Europe, for their own necks and the mass killings they've committed in the name of Jesus Christ.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

  10. #50
    Familiaist


    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    North Carolina
    Last Seen
    11-16-16 @ 09:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    7,470

    Re: Pope move ignites Holocaust row

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    A person who engages in homosexual behavior is sinning in the eyes of the Church because it is contrary to the sexual complimentarity of man and woman's creation. Furthermore, we were made in his image--and God is life generating. Man and woman were made to reflect the life generating love of God. Two men or two women can't do that--That is why the Church says it is contrary to God's design for mankind. It is not a loving act to confirm someone in what is contrary to what is deemed correct. The role of the Church is to instruct spiritually. She does her job by holding her adherents to the beliefs of the Church.
    I disagree with the creationist story. I am not ignorant of that, as I am with the church herself. I think it is hypocritical and wrong to single out the homosexuals AS:

    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

    and

    Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

    Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)

    Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

    Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

    Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) Have you ever done that?

    If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10). I wonder if Dr. Laura would like that one to be enforced?

    If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)

    If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)

    If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16). I guess you should kill the animal since they were willing participants. Are they crazy?

    If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

    Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

    If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

    People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

    Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

    Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

    Bible Babble - The Laws of the Bible
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

Page 5 of 16 FirstFirst ... 3456715 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •