And here's more from the Wikipedia entry on Leuchter:
Lab manager James Roth swore under oath to the results at the trial. It was only after he got off the stand that Roth learned what the trial was about. In an interview for Morris's film, Roth states that cyanide would have formed an extremely fine layer on the walls, to the depth of one-tenth of a human hair. Leuchter had taken samples of indeterminate thickness (he is seen in Morris's film hammering at the bricks with a rock hammer). Not informed of this, Roth had pulverized the entire samples, thus severely diluting the cyanide-containing layer of each sample with an indeterminate amount of brick, varying for each sample. Roth offers the analogy that the tests were like "analyzing paint on a wall by analyzing the timber that's behind it."
Leuchter did not examine the walls of the gas chambers until fifty years after they had been used; his critics note that it would have been virtually impossible to discover any cyanide at all using his method. In fact, tests conducted on ventilation grates immediately after the end of the war showed substantial amounts of cyanide. The chambers were demolished by the Nazis when they abandoned Auschwitz, and the facilities Leuchter examined were, in fact, partially reconstructed. Leuchter was unaware that part of the camp and chambers were reconstructed, so he had no way of knowing if the bricks he was scraping were actually part of the original gas chamber.
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Vatican confirms former bishop Williamson violated Church teachings with his holocaust denial...
The Vatican said Monday that comments by a recently rehabilitated bishop that no Jews were gassed during the Holocaust were unacceptable and violate Church teaching...
One of the key documents issued by Vatican II was Nostra Aetate, which said the Church deplored all forms of anti-Semitism. The document revolutionized the Church's relations with Jews.
In the article, L'Osservatore said Benedict and his predecessors had all made clear the Church's teaching on Nostra Aetate in documents, actions and speeches and that its contents are not debatable for Catholics.
As stated earlier, I believe the Vatican's decision to reverse the excommunication of former bishop Williamson was a mistake.
It is true sin--it truly separates the person from the unity of the Church, but it does not break the bond of being a part of the Body of Christ. It makes them sinners, not necessarily in schism. They are wrong most definitely--but schism is a very specific term and I provided links explaining it's meaning and the circumstances.
The specific "pure dogma" that put the group in schism was refusal to submit to the spiritual authority of the Bishop of Rome. They apparently rectified that issue that put them in schism, but that does not solve all the errors of their teaching. So they are not in schism anymore, but they are in error concerning the Church's non-negotiable social teaching.
Moderator's Warning: Before this goes any further...
This is debate politics, not debate poster or debate moderation. The attacks against posters, the discussion of what is or isn't a rule 18 or 6a violation, etc, doesn't need to go on past this post.
Stick to the topic please (and thanks to those that stopped taking bait of people trying to continue this off topic line of conversation and decided to get back and stay on the topic)
"I am appalled that somebody who is the nominee...would take that kind of position"
"A court took away a presidency"
"...the brother of a man running for president was the governor of the state..."
It's horrifying because Trump is blunt instead of making overt implications.
Leuchter knew more about gas chambers than anyone around, he built gas chambers, you cannot challenge him.
Gas Chambers: The Leuchter Report Vindicated
Based on spurious knowledge, inducing specious logic which leads to false conclusions, Pressac's attacks on The Leuchter Report stem from faulty scientific and technical understanding, and thus utterly fail to demolish it. As already noted, since the publication of Truth Prevails, a study by Poland's leading forensic institute has given strong corroboration to Leuchter's findings, and thus to his methodology.
Pressac's ad hominem attacks on Leuchter and Faurisson, who by daring to subject the gas chamber myth to scientific and technical investigation, have risked their livelihoods, their personal freedom, and even their lives, will, one hopes, strike future generations of readers as no less obscurantist than the attacks directed at Galileo, at Darwin, or at the geneticists who dared to defy Lysenko during the Stalin years. May The Leuchter Report help to free, not only the Western world, but the entire literate world from the chains of an oppressive illusion -- the lie of the Hitler gas chambers.
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