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Never heard of him but I will try to keep his name in mind. Barnes and Noble or borders still carry any of his writings?

How do you think his writings relate to todays situation?

Moe

I don't think Barnes and Noble will carry it except maybe online. I know amazon has "The Law" for about $5.

He lived during the French revolution and wrote about the growth of its socialist state.

He is one of the people that Austrian economists site as the fore father of the business cycle theory.

I added a link where you can read it online for free. It's pretty short more like a long essay.
 
I'm saying that your being against Universal Suffrage is really anti-constitutional. If you don't want to live in a Constitutional Republic you can choose one of many dictatorships around the world.

How is it anti constitutional when the founders of this country never wanted it to be?

Should someone who can't read vote? How about someone who pays no taxes?
Or someone who doesn't know anything about how our government is supposed to function?

Why should we let ignorant and stupid people make decisions that affect us all in a big way?
 
In other worlds you hate the US Constitution and our entire system....talk about being a sore loser!
You are the one claiming majority rule, the constitution was passed partly to ensure that certain liberties, principles, and freedoms cannot be altered, that was to ensure that a majority couldn't invalidate founding principles of the republic, that is also why we aren't a pure democracy. If you do not understand that, or are willing to ignore parts of the constitution because you have a political agenda then it would be YOU hating the constitution.
 
So that makes it right? They can ignore the definition of what our country was founded on because you agree?

They're not ignoring the Constitution. They're following it. That's how our gov't works. :roll:
 
How is it anti constitutional when the founders of this country never wanted it to be?

Should someone who can't read vote? How about someone who pays no taxes?
Or someone who doesn't know anything about how our government is supposed to function?

Why should we let ignorant and stupid people make decisions that affect us all in a big way?
Those same founding fathers created a way to AMEND the Constitution making the things you're claiming un-constitutional constitutional so I'm not sure why you're relying on only the original version?

The Supreme Court has clearly ruled it ILLEGAL to ban people from voting for the reasons you're demanding and those "reasons" are part of what continues to make your argument irrational, sorry.

Seriously what you're asking for is what dictators do, not America!
 
Obama took on a draft dodging drug addicted coward after taking on the Clinton dynasty, Sarah Palin and accusations of hanging out with terrorists and being a Muslim? Well. I'm sure he's shaking in his boots as we speak because Rush has the same people who didn't vote for Obama ready to do whatever Rush says. Even....gasp....not vote for Obama. :roll:
 
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Wow. It's actually a little bit sad watching all of you act like this because you lost an election. Grow up. He made an innocent comment in the meeting to get the point across that just being flat against something that we are going to do is not helpful. They need to work with the group to get something that works and that they are more comfortable with or shut the hell up. If they don't help out then they can't bitch when something gets passed that is far left of what they would have gotten otherwise.
Payback is gonna be a bitch, GWB couldn't make any statement that was left alone, and anything he did was spun to make him look either stupid, corrupt, or evil. If political opponents and their bases want to engage in that behavior then they should expect it back, and Obama will get hammered mercilessly, so deal with it.
 
They're not ignoring the Constitution. They're following it. That's how our gov't works. :roll:

The role of our government is to be a representative republic.

If they make laws that favor one person or group of persons at the expense of another person or group of persons then it is not just or unconstitutional.
 
What a hoot reading the pitiful Republicans so impotent in so many ways trying to find even the smallest crumb to hang your hats on! :rofl
As opposed to the last eight years and your side? Pot....meet Kettle.

There's a new sheriff in town and he's not going to let the old GOP ninkompoops get away with squat.
Keep celebrating, with the current congressional approval ratings, the current congress and president should be very careful how they tread, because their own rules could be used to hang them.

Carry on with your sore loser posts they are quite amusing! LOVE IT!
Your position is noted, and you will get all of that back when the Democrats are back in the minority.
 
You are the one claiming majority rule, the constitution was passed partly to ensure that certain liberties, principles, and freedoms cannot be altered, that was to ensure that a majority couldn't invalidate founding principles of the republic, that is also why we aren't a pure democracy. If you do not understand that, or are willing to ignore parts of the constitution because you have a political agenda then it would be YOU hating the constitution.
Show me where I argued that I'm for majority rule in a way that is anti-constitutional? Hint...you can't because I didn't.

So instead of pretending that I do not understand our system of government please explain how being against universal suffrage is being pro-America and pro-Constitution.
 
Those same founding fathers created a way to AMEND the Constitution making the things you're claiming un-constitutional constitutional so I'm not sure why you're relying on only the original version?

The original document is all that was really needed in my opinion.

The Supreme Court said in Bush vs. Gore I think that citizens have no constitutional right to vote in federal elections.

You amend The Constitution when there is a clear and present reasonable, logical need to do so not for emotional everybody counts nonsense.

The Supreme Court has clearly ruled it ILLEGAL to ban people from voting for the reasons you're demanding and those "reasons" are part of what continues to make your argument irrational, sorry.

See above

Seriously what you're asking for is what dictators do, not America!

Dictators want their electorate to be informed and competent? :doh
 
Those same founding fathers created a way to AMEND the Constitution making the things you're claiming un-constitutional constitutional so I'm not sure why you're relying on only the original version?
Yes, the founders did, you got one correct. The constitutional amendment allowing universal sufferage can also be amended again to exclude people from voting, not based on arbitrary factors such as race, social class, sex.....etc. but you most certainly could qualify a test on governance or some other qualifiers to vote.

The Supreme Court has clearly ruled it ILLEGAL to ban people from voting for the reasons you're demanding and those "reasons" are part of what continues to make your argument irrational, sorry.
Appeals to the court are irrelevent, another court could easily reverse that decision, it has been known to happen.

Seriously what you're asking for is what dictators do, not America!
Bull ****, there is nothing wrong with asking people to know what they are doing when they vote, it's merely asking people to not screw up the system by voting in idiots, crooks, liars, and constitutional violators.
 
Show me where I argued that I'm for majority rule in a way that is anti-constitutional? Hint...you can't because I didn't.
The American people have spoken and brought the Republicans this:

President Obama

Senate 59-41 DEMOCRATS

House 256-178 DEMOCRATS

Supreme Court 5-4 DEMOCRATS

Quite the majority which will lead to quite the legislative victories....for DEMOCRATS.

Wasn't it Navy Pride who claimed that the GOP were going to "shock the world" last November 4th?
You were saying?

So instead of pretending that I do not understand our system of government please explain how being against universal suffrage is being pro-America and pro-Constitution.
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there is nothing wrong with asking people to know what they are doing when they vote, it's merely asking people to not screw up the system by voting in idiots, crooks, liars, and constitutional violators.
 
Agreed. I do not so much want to see the Democrats or the GOP succeed . I want to see America succeed for a change. Piss on all their party politics first crap and lets fix the country. For that we can not let just one party ram rod through a package claiming national crisis so don't look just vote. There was a weird thing on TV yesterday that they do not want to use the stimulus package to fund Pell grants but have 300 million marked for condoms. Yes that's right 300 million dollars worth of rubbers. So if any of you out there are unemployed rubber makers things may be looking up at least for you. Maybe they plan on bailing out the Nevada cat houses or something. Plus apparently there is money earmarked for the Arts. I do not see how 300 million dollars worth of rubbers and funding the arts is going to save the economy.

Truthfully I can see not using the money to fund Pell grants either. I believe college education aid to be important but it does not really qualify as stimulating the economy as in job creation and rebuilding our important private sector industries and this is what this money is supposed to be all about. But I would rather see some money go to Pell grants and other schooling loan programs rather than condoms and the Arts.

This bill needs to be investigated closely to make sure the politicians are not trying to fund their own useless pet projects for their campaign contributors. I really believe that this a period of time that we should watch all our elected officials very closely and they if they use this period in our history when average people are being wiped out as an excuse to pull more party politics then we should just clean house the next election on both parties. get rid of all of them,

Moe

I tried to post a reply and the ministry of love dumped it into the cyber crapper. I`ll be much more brief but to the same point.Obama has decided to provide abortion and condoms to the EU and Africa. When the rage of starving people in America explodes into the streets ,will they be shot ,fire hosed,gassed,or bulldozed into "soilent green" vats. No script was provided to those of us who were thrown into essentialy permanent unemployment so what is the solution. Rage will no more fix the problem than will the college program I signed up for last week...new career / false hope. THIS is the US governments show. WE DIDN`T DO THIS,(momey whores did) One thing is on the mind of the people and Obama thinks politics as usual will carry the day on the news programs. ???????????????????? Help me out here folks. I have a million questions and a giant monkey on my back. THE ECONOMY ...stupid....THE ECONOMY !
 
I tried to post a reply and the ministry of love dumped it into the cyber crapper. I`ll be much more brief but to the same point.Obama has decided to provide abortion and condoms to the EU and Africa. When the rage of starving people in America explodes into the streets ,will they be shot ,fire hosed,gassed,or bulldozed into "soilent green" vats. No script was provided to those of us who were thrown into essentialy permanent unemployment so what is the solution. Rage will no more fix the problem than will the college program I signed up for last week...new career / false hope. THIS is the US governments show. WE DIDN`T DO THIS,(momey whores did) One thing is on the mind of the people and Obama thinks politics as usual will carry the day on the news programs. ???????????????????? Help me out here folks. I have a million questions and a giant monkey on my back. THE ECONOMY ...stupid....THE ECONOMY !

The thing is if you believe you are a free man you have to live like one in an un-free society.

Remember that no programs funded by the government will fix your life forever and try to inform people using logic and not emotion.

If enough people get the idea that government can't solve your woes they will start to instill real change and not this crap Obama is touting.
 
Absolutely! Obama is just starting to demonstrate how the Repubs have underestimated him, on all issues. They are in for a very rude awakening. In fact, I believe they'll be in need of serious counseling. :mrgreen:

ADK,you and family guy call your shrinks..If you think condoms and abortions are a display of pure genious on the part of Obama,in spite of the fact that the ECONOMY is job one,you are simply crazy. The concern I have is that idiots like yourselves are allowed to vote at all. I`m BIG behind the idea of IQ testing for voters...or just a simple level of function test. The masses saw a "Rock Star" and voted it in...SAD .
 
I tried to post a reply and the ministry of love dumped it into the cyber crapper. I`ll be much more brief but to the same point.Obama has decided to provide abortion and condoms to the EU and Africa.

:shock: NO WAY! Well Should have known the condoms were not for us they like riding us bare back to much. We seem to be close to the same age.
We are getting little long in the tooth for retraining. Lots of places do not want to hire us older guys because we are getting close to the age where medical problems start showing up.

I see you are a 3 year hitch Viet nam era vet. Me to, 4 years. 73 to 77. USS RANGER CVA 61


I wish you the best of luck trying to get it all back in one sock Rodney and God bless.:2wave:

Moe
 
ADK,you and family guy call your shrinks..If you think condoms and abortions are a display of pure genious on the part of Obama,in spite of the fact that the ECONOMY is job one,you are simply crazy. The concern I have is that idiots like yourselves are allowed to vote at all. I`m BIG behind the idea of IQ testing for voters...or just a simple level of function test. The masses saw a "Rock Star" and voted it in...SAD .

They let you vote didn't they? Be grateful that there isn't a "follow the neo-cons off the cliff" test. :mrgreen:
 
Originally Posted by Family Guy
Show me where I argued that I'm for majority rule in a way that is anti-constitutional? Hint...you can't because I didn't.
Originally Posted by Family Guy
The American people have spoken and brought the Republicans this:

President Obama

Senate 59-41 DEMOCRATS

House 256-178 DEMOCRATS

Supreme Court 5-4 DEMOCRATS

Quite the majority which will lead to quite the legislative victories....for DEMOCRATS.

Wasn't it Navy Pride who claimed that the GOP were going to "shock the world" last November 4th?

You were saying?
And where do I say that we're not a Republic? I said that the Democrats have a superior majority which will allow us to pass lots of legislation something that we were unable to do the past 8 years under the idiot formerly known as George.

The voice of America wants the Democrats to rule the roost and until we're voted out we will do that and do our best to get the things we believe in enacted.

In a short few days we've already closed Gitmo, eliminated extraordinary rendition, CIA prisons restarted Science with things like embyonic stem cell research and this is all in the first few days. This is only the first weekend of President Obama's eight years.

As the opposition I expect you to not be happy with these things for if you were you would have voted for Obama. We Democrats had to suck it up and watch Bush be the worst President maybe ever and still there were/are Republicans who support him.

And who do you have in the wings? Sarah Palin! :rofl
 
Originally Posted by Family Guy


And where do I say that we're not a Republic? I said that the Democrats have a superior majority which will allow us to pass lots of legislation something that we were unable to do the past 8 years under the idiot formerly known as George.

The voice of America wants the Democrats to rule the roost and until we're voted out we will do that and do our best to get the things we believe in enacted.

In a short few days we've already closed Gitmo, eliminated extraordinary rendition, CIA prisons restarted Science with things like embyonic stem cell research and this is all in the first few days. This is only the first weekend of President Obama's eight years.

As the opposition I expect you to not be happy with these things for if you were you would have voted for Obama. We Democrats had to suck it up and watch Bush be the worst President maybe ever and still there were/are Republicans who support him.

And who do you have in the wings? Sarah Palin! :rofl

When was stem cell research stopped?

The prison will most likely will not be closed immediately and when it is the prisoners will be moved to another prison.

Sounds like some of that is just for show.

Last time I checked Sarah Palin was governor of Alaska, how is she involved?
 
The left would love this. Divide and conquer. May I suggest... don't do it. We'd end up eating excrement for a long time with a splintered party. Four years is long enough.

We're in a rebuilding phase... it will take a little time.

I dn't see socialist wealth redistribution in the Constitution. The Constitution is meaningless to the left. The Commi Manifesto, that's what needs implementing, and they're well on their way.

I LOVE the fact he did this, and did it early. I would love to have been in the R's offices after this meeting. Talk about giving the R's a lifeline. Now if they'd only take it.

I'd start asking Obamer what exactly he doesn't like about what Rush proclaims. make him explain his blanket statement.

Yep, and good. They needed ice water thrown over them and a good hard punch in the mug... and for Obamer, The Uniter to do it this so early warms my heart.

I wonder if he cleared the statement with Greg Craig? LOL

The splintering of the right began in the Reagan administration, when the Neocons split from the mainstream Conservative movement. Luckily, at the time, Reagan kept them at arm's length, and Bush's father, as VP, referred to them as "the crazies in the basement". When Bush Jr. won the presidency, he let the crazies in.

The problem for Conservatives is the image the Neocons gave us, but the Neocons were never Conservative to begin with. In the aftermath of the crash and burn of the Republican party, one of our first priorities has to be restoring the image of Conservatism, and redefining Conservatism to the public as Conservatism, not Neoconservatism. Until we do that, we are in for some tough times. The kicking to the curb of the Neocons, and their repudiation, by the GOP, was a good first step. Now lets finish the job. Until we do finish the job, people are going to stay away from us because they still think the false idea that Neoconservatism is Conservatism. It's NOT. It is a bastardized form of Liberalism on steroids.

Bottom line is that the Democrats never had to divide and conquer the Conservative movement. We did it all to ourselves, and now we are paying for it.
 
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The splintering of the right began in the Reagan administration, when the Neocons split from the mainstream Conservative movement. Luckily, at the time, Reagan kept them at arm's length, and Bush's father, as VP, referred to them as "the crazies in the basement". When Bush Jr. won the presidency, he let the crazies in.

The problem for Conservatives is the image the Neocons gave us, but the Neocons were never Conservative to begin with. In the aftermath of the crash and burn of the Republican party, one of our first priorities has to be restoring the image of Conservatism, and redefining Conservatism to the public as Conservatism, not Neoconservatism. Until we do that, we are in for some tough times. The kicking to the curb of the Neocons, and their repudiation, by the GOP, was a good first step. Now lets finish the job. Until we do finish the job, people are going to stay away from us because they still think the false idea that Neoconservatism is Conservatism. It's NOT. It is a bastardized form of Liberalism on steroids.

Bottom line is that the Democrats never had to divide and conquer the Conservative movement. We did it all to ourselves, and now we are paying for it.

Can we resurrect Barry Goldwater? I'll take Ross Perot in his place he is at least more knowledgeable that the current inhabitants.
 
When was stem cell research stopped?
Under the anti-science government created by Bush embryonic stem cells were not allowed to be used by government paid for programs unless they were created before a certain date. He retarded the research that Obama has now resurrected and thank God we can now step out of the Bush voodoo age and iinto modern times.
The prison will most likely will not be closed immediately and when it is the prisoners will be moved to another prison.
Gitmo was an incredible black eye for America and who knows how many Americans have died and will died because of what we did to people at Gitmo.

No one is calling for the release of the bad guys. People are demending that they are allowed to be tried and that they not be tortured. Moving them anywhere makes America look better.
Last time I checked Sarah Palin was governor of Alaska, how is she involved?
You missed my point. The Republican party is bankrupt of viable national candidates and Sarah Palin is a prime example of how poor your choices are.
 
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