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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    A Viable force like the one that allowed Hillary to best Obama in the primaries? Operation Chaos anyone? 'Nuff said. He's a joke. A punchline for late-night comics.
    You are right.
    Obama should be on later.


    PS. Hillary was all but done, Limbaugh knew it but figured prolonging the misery on the left would be good. It would have been had the Republicans nominated their candidate.
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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You fail to see that you are practicing what we like to call Kool-aid drinking, you say Bush made "mistake after mistake after mistake" without giving one example, same with your "stupid remark" comment, you sound like you just picked up a sound bite of Kennedy and Kerry and passed it along as fact. I can tell you what I don't like about a politician and political party trying to silence a private citizen(Rush, Joe the Plumber, Hannity, talk radio), which is what we are discussing in this thread. Here's a hint, it has something to do with freedom of speech and right to petition.
    Below is a piece of a piece from the Washington Times hardly a anti-Bush paper and I also found it on National Review Online another conservative group.

    As he heads to Texas, Mr. Bush should reflect on these 10 more important mistakes that shaped his presidency:

    -- Not getting congressional buy-in on detention policy immediately after Sept. 11, 2001. Going to Congress would have forced more deliberation when the administration was rushing into the hasty improvisation of Gitmo and made it harder for Democrats to grandstand once it became controversial.

    -- An ineffective management style. Bush the “CEO president” wisely wanted to delegate. Alas, the quality of some of his Texas loyalists wasn't particularly high, and when people under Mr. Bush failed, his first instinct was to stand by them stalwartly (see Rumsfeld, Don) rather than to hold them accountable.

    -- Not replacing George Tenet after Sept. 11. Someone should have taken responsibility after the terror attacks. Mr. Tenet's exit wouldn't have prevented the debacle over weapons of mass destruction (WMD), but at least he wouldn't have been around to give his dramatic “slam-dunk” demonstration in the Oval Office.

    -- Deferring to his generals. Mr. Bush believed his job was to listen to his generals and give them what they wanted. This made him overly passive during much of the Iraq war. It wasn't until his generals had nearly lost the war that Mr. Bush fully stepped up to his role as commander in chief, going around the brass to order the surge, the most successful and consequential initiative of his second term.

    -- Not taking charge during Katrina. As soon as the National Weather Service bulletins were warning of the possible destruction of an American city, Mr. Bush should have rode herd on the tangled homeland security bureaucracy and, once the storm hit, federalized the response to save New Orleans from the incompetence and limited capabilities of its state and local governments.

    -- Too much accommodation of a Republican Congress. Mr. Bush got what he wanted out of Congress at the price of looking the other way from burgeoning earmarks and a creeping culture of corruption. More triangulation at the expense of his own party's leaders would have served Mr. Bush - and perhaps the ill-fated GOP majority - well.

    -- Not reading enough history. Mr. Bush has admirably applied himself to an extensive reading program as president, but if he had absorbed more history before taking office - particularly about military matters - he would have had a better grounding to make important decisions.

    -- Refusing to settle the internal war within his administration. The acrimony between the State Department and CIA on the one hand and the Defense Department and vice president's office on the other was poisonous and debilitating. It hampered the prosecution of the Iraq war and led to the “Scooter” Libby mess that was the highest-profile “scandal” of an otherwise relatively clean administration.

    - Underestimating the power of explanation. By temperament and ability, Mr. Bush was more a “decider” than a “persuader.” He is not naturally drawn to public argument, giving his administration its unfortunate (and not entirely fair) “my way or the highway” reputation at home and abroad.

    - Ignoring health-care reform too long. By the time Mr. Bush unveiled a serious and sensible health-care reform in 2007, it was dead on arrival, leaving Democrats with the initiative on this crucial issue.
    Washington Times - LOWRY: Ten Bush mistakes

    Here's a top 8 list re Bush and the economy:

    1. The Return to Deficits - A Look Back at Bush's Economic Missteps - TIME

    Here's a list of 100 Bush mistakes from a 2004 article:

    100 Mistakes for the President to Choose From

    And some more....

    A list of George W. Bush's mistakes or disappointments in presidency, according to him

    I can go on forever. Do you think Bush was a "good" President?
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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Again, the sore winners would rather make a thread about President Bush than address the arrogance of their dear leader.
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    You guys are weird.

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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Again, the sore winners would rather make a thread about President Bush than address the arrogance of their dear leader.
    Exactly, they won't address that Obama is taking shots at a private citizen less than a week in office, rather they try to rehash the same Bush bashing.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    Below is a piece of a piece from the Washington Times hardly a anti-Bush paper and I also found it on National Review Online another conservative group.
    Okay, you found an article with opinions on mistakes, many I agree with, now what's your take on it, or do you just want to point out what others call Bush mistakes.



    I can go on forever. Do you think Bush was a "good" President?
    Bush was a decent president, compared to the alternatives in '00 and '04 he was a great president, There were things the outgoing president did well, military response to terrorism, handling of a two-war front, tax relief, etc. He did some things badly like: No Child left behind(a Kennedy bill), spent way too much, should have reigned in the housing market, and expanded government instead of shrinking it.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Exactly, they won't address that Obama is taking shots at a private citizen less than a week in office, rather they try to rehash the same Bush bashing.
    True, true.
    Their defense is an offense.

    From the initial post:
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    President Obama warned Republicans on Capitol Hill today that they need to quit listening to radio king Rush Limbaugh if they want to get along with Democrats and the new administration.

    "You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done," he told top GOP leaders, whom he had invited to the White House to discuss his nearly $1 trillion stimulus package.
    PREZ ZINGS GOP FOE IN A $TIMULATING TALK - New York Post
    It was a major league dumb move to single out Limbaugh. It illustrates he has no intention of listening to the right. And Limbaugh, as well as the remainder of talk radio (the left doesn't have a viable audience so they don't count as being in the market ) is going to run with this to push the point home that Obama isn't about uniting, and Change means socialism, and Hope is delivered via government handing you goodies stolen from hard working tax payers.
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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Exactly, they won't address that Obama is taking shots at a private citizen less than a week in office, rather they try to rehash the same Bush bashing.
    You're the one who asked for what made Bush suck:
    Originally Posted by LaMidRighter
    You fail to see that you are practicing what we like to call Kool-aid drinking, you say Bush made "mistake after mistake after mistake" without giving one example,
    I responded to that remark so how about you stop the bull**** high and mighty act?

    If someone defends Obama the Republicans in this thread automatically claim that the person speaking for Obama has "drank the kool-aid" and you do that for every single Obama supporter. It's become the standard attack line for you guys and you use it instead of discussing what Obama did that is so wrong? You all then post the same bull**** "this is the tip of the iceberg" "Obama's made a fatal mistake attacking Limbaugh" yada yada.

    The truth as I see it is that you're all so desperate to find something, anything to make yourselves feel better that you write the stuff that we've seen in this thread.

    Comparing how Obama starts versus how Bush did is not apples and apples since so many millions of us felt that Bush did not legitimately win the 2000 election causing an immediate disrespect and ill regard for Bush.

    For you all to then say in this thread how "Bush was treated the same way at first" is as inaccurate a statement as is the belief that Rush Limbaugh has any effect on the American public other than the radical right wing who already support Limbaugh and would never vote for any Democrat or Obama.

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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Wow. It's actually a little bit sad watching all of you act like this because you lost an election. Grow up. He made an innocent comment in the meeting to get the point across that just being flat against something that we are going to do is not helpful. They need to work with the group to get something that works and that they are more comfortable with or shut the hell up. If they don't help out then they can't bitch when something gets passed that is far left of what they would have gotten otherwise.

    Predictable responses:
    "I was for <enter name here> not McCain" translation: Bull****, I just wanted to feel special so I picked an alternative party to support. I knew we were going to loose and bitching makes me feel better.
    Here's a response that looks nothing like your predicted one:
    Obama has more to worry about than Rush Limbaugh. Why is he focused on talk show personalities, and not the economy, the war, etc? The Pres is very thin skinned, he's in for a rough term.

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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    True, true.
    Their defense is an offense.

    From the initial post:
    They can't win arguments, so they attack those making them personally.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    You're the one who asked for what made Bush suck:
    I wanted analysis, not yet more reposting of any article you can dig up to repeat your message for the umpteen hundreth time.

    I responded to that remark so how about you stop the bull**** high and mighty act?
    No, you dug up articles, anyone can do that. Without analysis all you are doing is attacking.

    If someone defends Obama the Republicans in this thread automatically claim that the person speaking for Obama has "drank the kool-aid" and you do that for every single Obama supporter.
    But you aren't defending Obama, you are attacking those asking valid questions about him, you are attacking a political party you don't like, as well as it's members, and even someone who has nothing to do with this thread(GWB) if you want to talk about the issue and defend it that is fine, you are not doing that.
    It's become the standard attack line for you guys and you use it instead of discussing what Obama did that is so wrong?
    I've already said what's wrong with it, he's whining about people listening to conservative viewpoints, Limbaugh specifically, that doesn't defacto violate the first amendment, but it might as well, and it's in bad taste.
    You all then post the same bull**** "this is the tip of the iceberg" "Obama's made a fatal mistake attacking Limbaugh" yada yada.
    First, I didn't say that, second, it is a stupid mistake to screw with Rush, he has a large audience full of people on both sides of the political isle, and he could make Obama's life a little more hellish if he wants to.
    The truth as I see it is that you're all so desperate to find something, anything to make yourselves feel better that you write the stuff that we've seen in this thread.
    Oh please, Obama's got more dirty laundry than a dry cleaner. I stay out of the little stuff, but every time he makes a mistake I will call it, just like I call it for Republicans.

    Comparing how Obama starts versus how Bush did is not apples and apples since so many millions of us felt that Bush did not legitimately win the 2000 election causing an immediate disrespect and ill regard for Bush.
    I don't care, and it doesn't matter what you "feel" Bush won the election legally, so get over it. Next point, your side went on an all out offensive against GWB from day one, so you will get every bit of it back, don't like it, tough, you sowed it, you reap it.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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