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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by moe View Post
    Agreed. I do not so much want to see the Democrats or the GOP succeed . I want to see America succeed for a change. Piss on all their party politics first crap and lets fix the country. For that we can not let just one party ram rod through a package claiming national crisis so don't look just vote. There was a weird thing on TV yesterday that they do not want to use the stimulus package to fund Pell grants but have 300 million marked for condoms. Yes that's right 300 million dollars worth of rubbers. So if any of you out there are unemployed rubber makers things may be looking up at least for you. Maybe they plan on bailing out the Nevada cat houses or something. Plus apparently there is money earmarked for the Arts. I do not see how 300 million dollars worth of rubbers and funding the arts is going to save the economy.

    Truthfully I can see not using the money to fund Pell grants either. I believe college education aid to be important but it does not really qualify as stimulating the economy as in job creation and rebuilding our important private sector industries and this is what this money is supposed to be all about. But I would rather see some money go to Pell grants and other schooling loan programs rather than condoms and the Arts.

    This bill needs to be investigated closely to make sure the politicians are not trying to fund their own useless pet projects for their campaign contributors. I really believe that this a period of time that we should watch all our elected officials very closely and they if they use this period in our history when average people are being wiped out as an excuse to pull more party politics then we should just clean house the next election on both parties. get rid of all of them,

    Moe
    I think its great you can filter the partisan bull crap that moves its way through congress.

    Remember that stimulating one business will cost another business. I don't think they should doing anything to chose the winners and losers in private affairs.

    May I suggest the works of Frederic Bastiat. His writing are about 150 years old but it is like he predicted today almost word for word. http://www.fee.org/pdf/books/The_Law.pdf
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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A republic is majority rule but not at the expense of the minority.
    I know the definition. However, if one party has the majority it is going to out vote the minority. It will also block/stymie the minority's efforts via various procedural rules.

    That is just group think talking points. Obama is doing the exact same crap as Bush.
    Not at all.

    How are the republican ideas ignorant or dumb? which of his ideas are better?
    Look at the last 8 years and their results.

    Which of his ideas make sense?
    So far, most of them.

    Most of the garbage he is pushing through is not Constitutional
    Please, point them out.
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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Use facts to show I hate the Constitution instead of emotional rhetoric please.

    I lose if Republicans or Democrats get elected so yeah I'm tired of letting ignorant fools choose who wins and who loses in life.
    Sure, here you go:

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    This election for me was proof positive we should not embrace Universal Suffrage.
    I'm saying that your being against Universal Suffrage is really anti-constitutional. If you don't want to live in a Constitutional Republic you can choose one of many dictatorships around the world.

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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think its great you can filter the partisan bull crap that moves its way through congress.

    Remember that stimulating one business will cost another business. I don't think they should doing anything to chose the winners and losers in private affairs.

    May I suggest the works of Frederic Bastiat. His writing are about 150 years old but it is like he predicted today almost word for word. http://www.fee.org/pdf/books/The_Law.pdf
    Never heard of him but I will try to keep his name in mind. Barnes and Noble or borders still carry any of his writings?

    How do you think his writings relate to todays situation?

    Moe

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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    I know the definition. However, if one party has the majority it is going to out vote the minority. It will also block/stymie the minority's efforts via various procedural rules.
    So that makes it right? They can ignore the definition of what our country was founded on because you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Not at all.
    Bush and Obama both used their parties to get things pushed through just because they want them. With out heavy debate or logical conclusions on the effects. Pretty similar to me.



    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Look at the last 8 years and their results.
    Examples please.


    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    So far, most of them.
    Examples please.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Please, point them out.
    Bans on arms is one. Nearly everything listed on whitehouse.gov is supposed to be legally outside of government control.
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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by moe View Post
    Never heard of him but I will try to keep his name in mind. Barnes and Noble or borders still carry any of his writings?

    How do you think his writings relate to todays situation?

    Moe
    I don't think Barnes and Noble will carry it except maybe online. I know amazon has "The Law" for about $5.

    He lived during the French revolution and wrote about the growth of its socialist state.

    He is one of the people that Austrian economists site as the fore father of the business cycle theory.

    I added a link where you can read it online for free. It's pretty short more like a long essay.
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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    I'm saying that your being against Universal Suffrage is really anti-constitutional. If you don't want to live in a Constitutional Republic you can choose one of many dictatorships around the world.
    How is it anti constitutional when the founders of this country never wanted it to be?

    Should someone who can't read vote? How about someone who pays no taxes?
    Or someone who doesn't know anything about how our government is supposed to function?

    Why should we let ignorant and stupid people make decisions that affect us all in a big way?
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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    In other worlds you hate the US Constitution and our entire system....talk about being a sore loser!
    You are the one claiming majority rule, the constitution was passed partly to ensure that certain liberties, principles, and freedoms cannot be altered, that was to ensure that a majority couldn't invalidate founding principles of the republic, that is also why we aren't a pure democracy. If you do not understand that, or are willing to ignore parts of the constitution because you have a political agenda then it would be YOU hating the constitution.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So that makes it right? They can ignore the definition of what our country was founded on because you agree?
    They're not ignoring the Constitution. They're following it. That's how our gov't works.
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    Re: Prez Zings Gop Foe In A $timulating Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    How is it anti constitutional when the founders of this country never wanted it to be?

    Should someone who can't read vote? How about someone who pays no taxes?
    Or someone who doesn't know anything about how our government is supposed to function?

    Why should we let ignorant and stupid people make decisions that affect us all in a big way?
    Those same founding fathers created a way to AMEND the Constitution making the things you're claiming un-constitutional constitutional so I'm not sure why you're relying on only the original version?

    The Supreme Court has clearly ruled it ILLEGAL to ban people from voting for the reasons you're demanding and those "reasons" are part of what continues to make your argument irrational, sorry.

    Seriously what you're asking for is what dictators do, not America!

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