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    Re: Obama to end anti-abortion policy for overseas funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    1. because they are foreign.
    Deny funding to all non-governmental organizations that perform services outside the US is a whole other discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    2. because abortion kills life.
    What about educating on abortion? How does educating someone on the consequences of abortion kill life?
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    Re: Obama to end anti-abortion policy for overseas funds

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    Hey Gib long time no see, welcome back.......
    Thanks NP. Have a baby on the way so been taking on a lot of freelance work. Sucks the recreational time away
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    Re: Obama to end anti-abortion policy for overseas funds

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    I see, so I have no right to object?
    Did I say that? I object as well. However, we do have elected representatives. Object on here, with your friends, at the ballot box, and in letters to your elected repreesntatives.
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    Re: Obama to end anti-abortion policy for overseas funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Thanks NP. Have a baby on the way so been taking on a lot of freelance work. Sucks the recreational time away
    Congrats on the baby. Is it your first?
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    Re: Obama to end anti-abortion policy for overseas funds

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Congrats on the baby. Is it your first?
    Thanks.

    It is. It's very exciting but also tiresome. I can only imagine what it will be like once he arrives. I'm looking forward to it more each day.
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    Re: Obama to end anti-abortion policy for overseas funds

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, I don't have a problem with people living overseas getting abortions. I DO have a problem that we are funding them, especially at a time in which we are having huge financial problems of our own.

    Before we give out money to other nations, let's take care of Americans first. Let other nations deal with their own problems, and let's deal with OURS.

    Article is here.
    Your article doesn't give the name of the policy being over turned.

    Could you please supply that information?

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    Re: Obama to end anti-abortion policy for overseas funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    This quote from the article on yahoo caught my attention..


    Obama signs order reversing abortion-funds policy - Yahoo! News

    Anti-Abortionists (along with abstinence supporters) seem to believe that denial of a service or lack of education help stop what ever it is they want stopped.

    Education and a well funded knowledge on safety measures are the only way to stop abortions.

    Abortion should be legal, available, and completely unnecessary.
    From your link:
    Population Action International, an advocacy group, said that the policy had "severely impacted" women's health and that the step "will help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, abortions and women dying from high-risk pregnancies because they don't have access to family planning."
    If I'm not mistaken, we are denying funds because **they force women to abort**.

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    Re: Obama to end anti-abortion policy for overseas funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    A clinic supporting a third world country shouldn't be denied support because they happen to have an abortion education program among their hundreds of other programs.
    They were not denied aid because they had an education program in place.

    They were denied aid because they were forcing women to have abortions against their will and they were supporting forced sterilization.


    Population Action International : Population Action International Joins European Partners in Condemning U.S. Government Ban on Contraceptives to Africa

    ...USAID Assistant Administrator for Global Health Kent Hill justified this decision because MSI works in China, by which he asserts that the nonprofit organization is guilty under the terms of the Kemp-Kasten amendment to have “support[ed] or participate[d] in the management of a program of coercive abortion or involuntary sterilization,” even though there’s no evidence to this accusation.
    Here's the evidence:
    Forced Abortion Still Part of China's Population Control Regime says US Human Rights Report

    WASHINGTON, March 1, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) – On February 28, 2005, the US State Department released its 2004 Human Rights Report. The report entitled "Country Reports on Human Rights Practices" is submitted to Congress by the Department of State in compliance with laws requiring the department to submit "a full and complete report regarding the status of internationally recognized human rights . . . in countries that receive (US) assistance.”

    Regarding China, the report notes that “Violence against women, including imposition of a coercive birth limitation policy that resulted in instances of forced abortion and forced sterilization, continued to be a problem, as did prostitution.”

    The report outlines in detail the barbaric population control practices employed by the Chinese government. “Under the country's family planning law and policies,” said the report, “citizens in 6 of the country's 31 provinces still were required to apply for government permission before having a first child, and the Government continued to restrict the number of births.”


    [....]
    Here is the most recent report: Country Reports on Human Rights Practices 2007

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    I love it when people tell me to “give Obama a chance” and “rally behind Obama and support him because he’s the president”…first Obama openly supports killing born citizens because they are unwanted, and now he supports forced abortion/sterilization. At least the founder of Planned Parenthood had the balls to admit that the pro-choice movement is about culling the population and fascism, but Obama still hides behind surrogate arguments like "a woman's right to choose" and an army of useful idiots.

    That's the change we need
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    Re: Obama to end anti-abortion policy for overseas funds

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, I don't have a problem with people living overseas getting abortions. I DO have a problem that we are funding them, especially at a time in which we are having huge financial problems of our own.

    Before we give out money to other nations, let's take care of Americans first. Let other nations deal with their own problems, and let's deal with OURS.

    Article is here.
    So now we are basically going to be paying for population control in other countries?
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    Re: Obama to end anti-abortion policy for overseas funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    From your link:


    If I'm not mistaken, we are denying funds because **they force women to abort**.
    No. The policy was denying any clinic funding even if they mentioned abortion. I haven't seen evidence of any NGO actively forcing abortions.
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