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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    We are far safer now, that I'll vehemently disagree with you about. How Obama unravels this... we'll see. But Bush's actions made us safer.

    I remember this testimony being riveting but ignored by the press and the Democrats intent on destroying a war-time president and the war effort they voted for.

    CRG: Dr David Kay's Testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee

    Add to that the discovery of AQ Kahn's corner store nuke supplies, Libya's giving up their Nuke toys... we're safer. We also learned Iran had an 18-year long clandestine Nukes for Kooks program.

    We're safer on many fronts.
    We were safer in the Reagan days because Reagan was an intelligent man and handled the problem accordingly. Mr Reagan was very good at Foreign policy. He did not sink us up to our necks in a war that did not need to be fought. And I am not even a big fan of Reagans but I give credit where credit is due and and Bush deserves very little credit for anything except bumbling from one screw up to the next.

    Rest assured regardless of what Bush says "If I could do all over again I would do it the same way" is nothing but BS. Nothing went the way they planned. They thought it was going to be a cake walk. Heck before the Iraq ground war was even over they were already threatening Syria and Iran with your next. They totally underestimated the entire situation. We stayed because we couldn't leave. We screwed the pooch so bad and the entire world was blaming us for the daily deaths and civil unrest.

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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by moe View Post
    From the link that you posted it claims that there are credibility issues over the statements being issued.
    Yeah, the issuers of these statements just seem to pick a number and through it out there. Where are you going to go to check if these numbers are true or not? Oh yeah, that's right, the ones that are issuing them in the first place.
    Denbeaux stated: “Once again, they’ve failed to identify names, numbers, dates, times, places, or acts upon which their report relies. Every time they have been required to identify the parties, the DOD has been forced to retract their false IDs and their numbers. They have included people who have never even set foot in Guantánamo—much less were they released from there. They have counted people as 'returning to the fight' for their having written an Op-ed piece in the New York Times and for their having appeared in a documentary exhibited at the Cannes Film Festival. The DOD has revised and retracted their internally conflicting definitions, criteria, and their numbers so often that they have ceased to have any meaning—except as an effort to sway public opinion by painting a false portrait of the supposed dangers of these men.

    Seton Hall Law: Department of Defense Wrong Again on Guantanamo “Recidivism”
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    Also it seems that these returnee's tricked the interrogators, So apparently the water board torture is not as effective as they thought.
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I'd bet alot he wasn't a terrorist before he entered the prison ... but you are right, what is one terrorist compared to the hundreds of thousands in total.
    I responded to your ignorant post earlier...,"I`d bet alot the terrorits were all inocent before we poisoned their minds at GitMo". You are as ignorant as I`ve met ,as liberals go. Prisons are loaded with bad guys. We don`t create bad guys in those facilities. `Fellow inmates` hone their brethrens skills and hatred, but no, WE don`t change good inocent people into muslims ,in terrorist prison camps.

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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by moe View Post
    We were safer in the Reagan days because Reagan was an intelligent man and handled the problem accordingly. Mr Reagan was very good at Foreign policy. He did not sink us up to our necks in a war that did not need to be fought. And I am not even a big fan of Reagans but I give credit where credit is due and and Bush deserves very little credit for anything except bumbling from one screw up to the next.

    Rest assured regardless of what Bush says "If I could do all over again I would do it the same way" is nothing but BS. Nothing went the way they planned. They thought it was going to be a cake walk. Heck before the Iraq ground war was even over they were already threatening Syria and Iran with your next. They totally underestimated the entire situation. We stayed because we couldn't leave. We screwed the pooch so bad and the entire world was blaming us for the daily deaths and civil unrest.

    Moe
    Moe, you seem to forgetting your history.

    The Democrats, and there are scores of them on record pre 9-11 (on Clinton's watch) waxing eloquent about the need to remove Saddam. Their words of how threatening he and his weapons programs are came from their mouths as easily as oil from a can. It flowed.

    Remember "Connect-the-dots"?
    Remember the UN?
    Remember the support from Congress? Far more support than GHW Bush received for Gulf War 1.

    I can understand he would do it again to protect the people.
    Same circumstances, same knowledge, same "it's a slam dunk" from the CIA chief, same obfuscation by Saddam, same last chance given... I understand why he would do the same thing again... clearly.

    He would have been pilloried by the traitors on the left had he not done something. "Connect-the-dots".

    He did something, and that was free 50 million Muslims.
    How did Clinton do? He had 8-years of opportunity to put an end to the victory we achieved in Gulf War 1.
    HE DID NOTHING. He pushed the problem aside. I think Obama spoke about Clinton when he said it's no longer time to push tough decisions aside.
    OK, under Clinton's watch 1 million Iraqi's died, and Albright thought it was "worth the price".

    It's easy to bash Bush on Iraq... if you don't think and put it all into context.

    What I found disgusting are the Democrats that voted to authorize action, and then when things got tough began pissing on the President and the troops... during a war they voted in favor of. These people are the lowest scum on the planet. They turned a war vote into a political vote, and then turned on their very own votes for political gain a second time.

    Have they no conscience? Morals?

    It does not get any lower.
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    yeah talk about it. who pressured for these hajis releas?
    Do you believe Bush/Cheney ever did anything because the Dems "wanted" them to?

    They released this guy because the big bad Dems made them?

    9/11 happened while Bush was President and it's Clinton's fault?

    They removed all regulations on the banking industry, the economy tanks and it's Clinton's fault?

    They were incompetent. Period.

    They were also criminals. It's only a matter of time before they are brought to justice. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Cheney wrote a tell all book taking credit for puppeting Bush through his Presidency. His ego can't stay silent forever.

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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Do you believe Bush/Cheney ever did anything because the Dems "wanted" them to?
    No.

    They released this guy because the big bad Dems made them?
    No, but the pressures may have lowered the threshold. So that cannot be answered with any confidence by anyone here.

    9/11 happened while Bush was President and it's Clinton's fault?
    Yes.

    They removed all regulations on the banking industry, the economy tanks and it's Clinton's fault?
    Largely yes. Look at what Bush tried to do with the central characters; Fannie and Freddie. Look at what the Dems did. The law passed by the The Clintons to encourage irresponsible financial transactions. Look at what Raines and Gorellick did. Check their compensation and how they got it?

    It set the foundation for collapse.

    There were 200 professionals looking at these companies as their daily job and they did not send one report. As Warren Buffet said, (paraphrasing) I look at a few more companies than that, and they had 200 people looking at one company?

    These people want to run health care too? OMG!

    They were incompetent. Period.
    No. They spent too much, but not enough to satisfy libs. They freed 50 million Muslims. They took a neglected military and started the reconstruction of it. We achieved some collateral benefits too: AQ Kahn discovered and shut down, Pakistan as an ally, Libya out of business, Iran nuke program discovered after 18 years, Saddam history, economic recovery after a recession and 9-11. The unemployment rate was as lower or lower than The Clintons.

    They were also criminals. It's only a matter of time before they are brought to justice. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Cheney wrote a tell all book taking credit for puppeting Bush through his Presidency. His ego can't stay silent forever.
    You obviously have a bias against Cheney's character. You obviously don't know Cheney. The guy is the furthest from an egomaniac. We didn't see much of him. He didn't seek office, he was hauled out of private business. The guy is bright, and could have taken over the role as President without missing a beat. He's a straight arrow, you may not like the style, delivery, his looks, but the guy and his wife are people you know where they stand. And they act on those beliefs... they don't poll their way through life, they're not conniving, and they don't play by the rules of Chicago politics. They are beltway professionals with the values of Wyoming. Similar to Senator Alan Simpson. I hope we see his kind again and often.

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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You obviously have a bias against Cheney's character.
    Ya think?

    You obviously don't know Cheney. The guy is the furthest from an egomaniac. We didn't see much of him. He didn't seek office, he was hauled out of private business. The guy is bright, and could have taken over the role as President without missing a beat.
    Cheney gave dubya the list of his qualifications that a VP should have and it coincidentally matched him perfectly. His middle name should be Paul Winchell.

    Actually, he DID take over for dubya. Cheney gave the "shoot down" order just b4 flight 93 crashed in PA. There is no phone log of the call he claimed he made to dubya getting that authorization, which only the prez can issue. Cheney took over for little junior because he was so used to doing just that.

    And, I think Cheney, and Bush, have the moral character... of an alligator. They'll eat anyone in their path.
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    We are far safer now, that I'll vehemently disagree with you about. How Obama unravels this... we'll see. But Bush's actions made us safer.

    I remember this testimony being riveting but ignored by the press and the Democrats intent on destroying a war-time president and the war effort they voted for.

    CRG: Dr David Kay's Testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee
    I'd be forever grateful if you'd quote the exact paragraph that you are using to make your point. I tried to scan it, but all I saw was "Iraq war" this and "Iraq war WMDs not there" that. I do not believe that our invasion into Iraq was for American safety. I believe we did more in aiding the militant organizations within the region by destroying the psychopath known as Saddam.

    Add to that the discovery of AQ Kahn's corner store nuke supplies, Libya's giving up their Nuke toys... we're safer. We also learned Iran had an 18-year long clandestine Nukes for Kooks program.

    We're safer on many fronts.
    Oh right. Libya is a real danger to the United States and her allies. You are once again stating the idea that countries will nuke each other if given the chance. I find that completely ridiculous. Not the craziest person of the 20th century nuked any body and he, Stalin, was a bit more crazy then these thugs.
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I'd be forever grateful if you'd quote the exact paragraph that you are using to make your point. I tried to scan it, but all I saw was "Iraq war" this and "Iraq war WMDs not there" that. I do not believe that our invasion into Iraq was for American safety. I believe we did more in aiding the militant organizations within the region by destroying the psychopath known as Saddam.



    Oh right. Libya is a real danger to the United States and her allies. You are once again stating the idea that countries will nuke each other if given the chance. I find that completely ridiculous. Not the craziest person of the 20th century nuked any body and he, Stalin, was a bit more crazy then these thugs.
    For one, Every thing any president has done in the middle east has been for oil. So really constantly laying that at Bush's feet is sensless.

    We went into Iraq because we believed it would be easier than going into Iran. Iran has a pretty formidable military with Russian and Chinese support. We were looking for a quick shock victory.

    Iraq is a very strategically located country. Saddam was isolated with a broken down military and no allies supporting him. If the Iraq campaign would have went the way we thought it was going to go We would have had excellent blocking positions against both Iran and Syria and forward staging area's against both.

    Who ever controls Iraq controls the middle east. Unfortunatly things did not go quite as well as planned.

    Personally I think we are going to lose Iraq completely and it is going to become another Iran. As soon as we remove all our forces all hell is going to break lose. It is enevitable. You have three factions that do not like each other. The Kurds are already marginalized. The Shiite are the largest and the most violent faction. They are just waiting for us to leave.

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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    I agree.

    I believe highly that our fight was not with Iraq, but with Iran, if there were to be a fight.

    People on this thread seem to be labeling me as both an extreme pacifist, who would ignore a countrys right to defend herself, and as a simplistic cliche' Orwellian.

    I am an Orwellian scholar, however, if they knew more about Orwell then they would know that one cannot be Orwellian-scholar, and an extreme pacifist.

    I believe in America's inherited rights to defend herself, and as the large-kid on the block it is America's job not to bully but to mediate between other parties in a hope of accomplishing what has been accomplished in America since her birth, compromises.

    I am hawkish in the way at which we go about being the great mediator, as we are super biased to a certain group, and we will go as far as to denote another group as people who should be wiped off the Earth. Military action is condoned in large-scales, times when it matters, like World War II for example. However events like Vietnam, not a chance in hell would I accept that as necessary to world stability. If that makes sense.
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