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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    If this is the smart thing to do. To go over there and shoot them up, then why the hell are we not safer?
    I can see how you would feel that way, what with all of the attacks al Qaeda has executed on US soil.


    Oh, wait a minute...
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    I can see how you would feel that way, what with all of the attacks al Qaeda has executed on US soil.


    Oh, wait a minute...

    You honestly think that if they really wanted to that they could not do one?
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    You honestly think that if they really wanted to that they could not do one?
    You don't think they've tried? What makes you think they are smarter then us? No smart answers please, because frankly we are not stupid people.
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    You honestly think that if they really wanted to that they could not do one?
    I think they would have if they could.
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

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    Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group - International Herald Tribune

    Gee, this doesn't bode well for Obama's "Close Gitmo" policy and is good evidence that Bush's policies of holding terrorist was right, the sad thing is, if it wasn't for all the screaming and whining about Gitmo this guy might still be in there... and not helping kill people.

    But hey, what's ONE guy right?
    Bush lets this guy go, he turns (back?) into a terrorist and you're crying that it's the Dems' fault? It seems pretty obvious that this just proves what bad decisions dubya and his cronies made. Oi vey! Talk about missing the forest for the trees!
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Bush lets this guy go, he turns (back?) into a terrorist and you're crying that it's the Dems' fault? It seems pretty obvious that this just proves what bad decisions dubya and his cronies made. Oi vey! Talk about missing the forest for the trees!


    yeah talk about it. who pressured for these hajis releas?
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You don't think they've tried? What makes you think they are smarter then us? No smart answers please, because frankly we are not stupid people.
    It is not a matter of "who is smarter" as it is a matter of "which is easier". It is easier to pull off terrorism, then it is to protect against terrorism.

    Of course they tried, but they are not being stopped because we are shooting people in the Middle-East.

    as I like to say. We are not much safer now. True, I do realize that we are slightly more conscious about it happening and we will no longer have our airplanes held hostage by boxcutters. However, I don't think it is the intent of any sort of well-organized extremists to do the same thing twice, especially on large strategic plannings. I do not think we will see, if another attack is to happen one of the following: nuke attacks, biological-attacks,
    Last edited by Arch Enemy; 01-24-09 at 03:54 AM.
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    as I like to say. We are not much safer now. True, I do realize that we are slightly more conscious about it happening and we will no longer have our airplanes held hostage by boxcutters. However, I don't think it is the intent of any sort of well-organized extremists to do the same thing twice, especially on large strategic plannings. I do not think we will see, if another attack is to happen one of the following: nuke attacks, biological-attacks,
    We are far safer now, that I'll vehemently disagree with you about. How Obama unravels this... we'll see. But Bush's actions made us safer.

    I remember this testimony being riveting but ignored by the press and the Democrats intent on destroying a war-time president and the war effort they voted for.

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    KAY: Senator Warner, I think the world is far safer with the disappearance and the removal of Saddam Hussein. I have said I actually think this may be one of those cases where it was even more dangerous than we thought.

    I think when we have the complete record you're going to discover that after 1998 it became a regime that was totally corrupt. Individuals were out for their own protection. And in a world where we know others are seeking WMD, the likelihood at some point in the future of a seller and a buyer meeting up would have made that a far more dangerous country than even we anticipated with what may turn out not to be a fully accurate estimate.
    Add to that the discovery of AQ Kahn's corner store nuke supplies, Libya's giving up their Nuke toys... we're safer. We also learned Iran had an 18-year long clandestine Nukes for Kooks program.

    We're safer on many fronts.
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Bush lets this guy go, he turns (back?) into a terrorist and you're crying that it's the Dems' fault? It seems pretty obvious that this just proves what bad decisions dubya and his cronies made. Oi vey! Talk about missing the forest for the trees!
    You need to actually read his post a little more clearly. He was NOT saying it was the Dems fault.

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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's more then 1...

    Lists of released Guantanamo prisoners who allegedly returned to battle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    But hey who is counting, they were all happy innocent folk DRIVEN TO TERROR BY THE EVIL USA OF BUSH!!!!


    Get real people, these people were there for a reason, and we're shocked they return to terror when freed? PLEASE.

    Making EXCUSES for their behavior? Sorry not into enabling terrorist with lame guilt trips.

    Commentators questioned the credibility of the spokesmen's assertions. H. Candace Gorman, looked into the only three names had been offered of captives who had been returned to the battlefield: Abdullah Mehsud"; "Mullah Shahzada"; and Maulvi Abdul Ghaffar.[5] She wrote, on March 18, 2007, that she found that the name Abdullah Mehsud wasn't listed on the official list of Guantanamo captives released on May 15, 2006.[6] She found that there were captives with names close to those of the two other men. but that the records showed these men were still in custody when according to the spokesmen's assertions they had not only been released, but had been killed in combat.
    From the link that you posted it claims that there are credibility issues over the statements being issued.

    And what is the precetage of those who return compared to those who just go home? 30 returned to the battle field over so many years. 30 out of how many?? maybe I missed it but I did not see a total number for detainee's released.

    Considering our own criminal justice system releases dangerous criminals back into our streets on a daily basis and the return rate to prison is very high I am not sure if thirty slipping through the mesh is all that significant.

    Also it seems that these returnee's tricked the interrogators, So apparently the water board torture is not as effective as they thought.

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