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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Those same "rights activists" that falsely claim Israeli troops killing beachgoers? Those same "rights activists" that sit silently as women are murdered because they were raped? Those "rights activists" that uncritically work with the UN human rights commission that seats that world's worst offenders of human rights as commission chairs? Those same "rights activists" that sit silently while the media fawns over doctored images of civilian casualties?

    Forgive me if I don't appear to be overwhelmed with the authority of "rights activists."

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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Never said there weren't. But there have also been innocent people there, which is exactly why we need a judge to review each case and, you know, actually JUDGE them.
    WTF do you think the military commissions were for? The Combatant Status Review Tribunals?

    What world are you living in?

    So do you believe that it's OK for the President of the United States to order the indefinite incarceration of anyone, anywhere in the world, with no oversight, simply because he deems them to be a terrorist? If not, what do you suggest?
    Of course not notwithstanding your hysterical question.

    Geneva says that warring nations may detain combatants until the cessation of hostilities and provides for trials after that point.

    What it seems you're demanding is that the US act counter to agreements we have signed on to and treat combatants as ordinary civilians despite the history and laws of war never having treated combatants this way and totally ignoring the practical consequences of doing so.

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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    WTF do you think the military commissions were for? The Combatant Status Review Tribunals?

    What world are you living in?



    Of course not notwithstanding your hysterical question.

    Geneva says that warring nations may detain combatants until the cessation of hostilities and provides for trials after that point.

    What it seems you're demanding is that the US act counter to agreements we have signed on to and treat combatants as ordinary civilians despite the history and laws of war never having treated combatants this way and totally ignoring the practical consequences of doing so.
    See how the libs bitch if we follow the Geneva Convention, but then cry like babies when Texas doesn't follow that idiot UN convention through the Hague for some Mexican rapist. They're two-faced about everything.
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    WTF do you think the military commissions were for? The Combatant Status Review Tribunals?
    Most of the detainees were not entitled to legal counsel, their innocence was not presumed, and there weren't any specific charges to refute.

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    What world are you living in?
    Please familiarize yourself with Boumediene v. Bush and get back to me then.

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak
    Of course not notwithstanding your hysterical question.

    Geneva says that warring nations may detain combatants until the cessation of hostilities and provides for trials after that point.
    It also lays out specific guidelines as to how they can be treated. And surely you would agree that "warring nations" would not include suspected terrorists arrested in Bosnia-Herzegovina, Pakistan, China, and the Gambia?

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak
    What it seems you're demanding is that the US act counter to agreements we have signed on to and treat combatants as ordinary civilians despite the history and laws of war never having treated combatants this way and totally ignoring the practical consequences of doing so.
    If they're prisoners of war, then we should declare them as such and give them the rights they are entitled to under the Geneva Conventions. If they aren't prisoners of war, then they should be tried with a crime or released.
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    You remember that some of those bastards were moved to Gitmo to protect them from dangers they would face in Abu Ghraib? They should have left them there.
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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Most of the detainees were not entitled to legal counsel, their innocence was not presumed, and there weren't any specific charges to refute.
    1) So what if they were not entitled to legal counsel. What right to legal counsel are they entitled to?

    2) These combatants are not entitled to such a presumption, they are not ordinary criminals.

    3) These tribunals were explicitly conducted so that detainees could challenge their combatant status.

    Now, educate yourself about the tribunals here.

    Please familiarize yourself with Boumediene v. Bush and get back to me then.
    Boumediene granted aliens held at Gitmo a constitutional right to challenge their detention in federal court.

    Uh, dawg, detainees could already do so via the 2005 DTA and 2006 MCA legislation which granted detainees access to the 4th Circuit Court in DC.

    The order issued today creates tribunals very much like those cited
    favorably by the Court to meet the unique circumstances of the Guantanamo detainees, and will provide an expeditious opportunity for non-citizen detainees to receive notice and an opportunity to be heard. It will not preclude them from seeking additional review in federal court.
    Notice. By July 17, each detainee will be notified of the review of his detention as an enemy combatant, of the opportunity to consult with a personal representative, and of the right to seek review in U.S. courts.
    It also lays out specific guidelines as to how they can be treated. And surely you would agree that "warring nations" would not include suspected terrorists arrested in Bosnia-Herzegovina, Pakistan, China, and the Gambia?
    Mine was a general reference to Geneva and shorthand for those engaged in some military action. Geneva's Third Protocol provides an opt-in clause for non-signatories provides those non-signatories adhere to Geneva. As well, wasn't it you and others arguing that terrorists be covered by geneva anyway?

    If they're prisoners of war, then we should declare them as such and give them the rights they are entitled to under the Geneva Conventions. If they aren't prisoners of war, then they should be tried with a crime or released.
    If they were, I'd agree. But they were not. And even if they were eligible for POW status, they're still not entitled to trial during hostilities, legal counsel, or any other protection granted to ordinary civilians in the US.

    Why do you insist on ignoring all of the ramifications of your positions?

    Charge these people with what? Prosecute them where?

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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    No. What you do to eliminate an ideology is you make it irrelevant. Shooting weaponry at a person does not kill the ideology it kills the person. How do you make an ideology irrelevant? Well, you take up the cause of the people who are buying into the ideology as an option to make their own lives better. You forget that groups like Hamas and Hezbollah have large wings that do nothing but give aid to the slums of their respective countries. If someone is able to smuggle food into your country, you are not going to immediately turn your back on them.
    I'd like to address this specific comment and ask you two questions: "You forget that groups like Hamas and Hezbollah have large wings that do nothing but give aid to the slums of their respective countries. "

    Where do you think the MONEY for Hamas and Hezbollah's generosity comes from?

    Secondly; why do you think they have to distribute food and aid to the general population?

    After I see your answers I will give you my responses.

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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group - International Herald Tribune

    Gee, this doesn't bode well for Obama's "Close Gitmo" policy and is good evidence that Bush's policies of holding terrorist was right, the sad thing is, if it wasn't for all the screaming and whining about Gitmo this guy might still be in there... and not helping kill people.

    But hey, what's ONE guy right?
    So let me get this straight. This guy was released in 2007 while the Bush Administration was in charge and yet you still find a way to blame Obama and people who are against Guantanamo in the first place for it? Are you serious?

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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    So let me get this straight. This guy was released in 2007 while the Bush Administration was in charge and yet you still find a way to blame Obama and people who are against Guantanamo in the first place for it? Are you serious?
    I'm not blaming Obama. What I said was this guy was released in PART due to pressure by people LIKE Obama, and those that cheer the closing of Gitmo.

    I also stated this doesn't bode well for his plans in the long run.

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    Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I'd bet alot he wasn't a terrorist before he entered the prison ... but you are right, what is one terrorist compared to the hundreds of thousands in total.
    He couldn`t have possibly been a terrorist before entering camp X-Ray. You are right . All of those poor people were innocent.... Laila ,get some help.

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