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    Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy - Yahoo! News
    By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer Philip Elliott, Associated Press Writer – 12:30 E.T.

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama moved quickly to undo a contentious Bush administration national security program Thursday, ordering Guantanamo closed within a year and welcoming Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton to help forge a new foreign policy strategy.

    What will not be reported about this Presidential Exec Order is the exchange which took place when Obama was asked about the disposition of the present detainees (a seemingly very important detail) :

    (- At this point Obama turns to White House Attorney Gregg Craig -)

    Obama: By the way Gregg will there be a separate executive order with respect to how we are going to dispose of the detainees? Is that? Is that….. (muffled)

    Gregg Craig: “A separate process….”
    Obama: “We will be a setting up a process by whereby this will be taking place”

    And that's pretty much how the whole thing went; With the President turning to Gregg Craig to fill him in those and other details, and then Obama repeating verbatim Craig's words. It's amazing how questions like this seem to have to be explained to the primary actor, the president. There's more; consult your C-SPAN video library for a replay a little later.

    It reminds me a lot of the Governor in Blazing Saddles, whose chief of staff was bringing him a constant flow of documents to sign, and having to ask what they were all about.

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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by AuHtwoh64 View Post
    Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy - Yahoo! News
    By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer Philip Elliott, Associated Press Writer – 12:30 E.T.

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama moved quickly to undo a contentious Bush administration national security program Thursday, ordering Guantanamo closed within a year and welcoming Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton to help forge a new foreign policy strategy.

    What will not be reported about this Presidential Exec Order is the exchange which took place when Obama was asked about the disposition of the present detainees (a seemingly very important detail) :

    (- At this point Obama turns to White House Attorney Gregg Craig -)

    Obama: By the way Gregg will there be a separate executive order with respect to how we are going to dispose of the detainees? Is that? Is that….. (muffled)

    Gregg Craig: “A separate process….”
    Obama: “We will be a setting up a process by whereby this will be taking place”

    And that's pretty much how the whole thing went; With the President turning to Gregg Craig to fill him in those and other details, and then Obama repeating verbatim Craig's words. It's amazing how questions like this seem to have to be explained to the primary actor, the president. There's more; consult your C-SPAN video library for a replay a little later.

    It reminds me a lot of the Governor in Blazing Saddles, whose chief of staff was bringing him a constant flow of documents to sign, and having to ask what they were all about.

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    His press secretary couldn't answer what they would do with Osama should we catch him. How would he be handled?

    Where is this country going?
    Who's at the wheel and when do we find out about how this Guantanamo thing is going to happen?

    I mean, in the words of the loyal opposition, where is the plan to get us out?
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    His press secretary couldn't answer what they would do with Osama should we catch him. How would he be handled?

    Where is this country going?
    Who's at the wheel and when do we find out about how this Guantanamo thing is going to happen?

    I mean, in the words of the loyal opposition, where is the plan to get us out?
    But you wanted us there.
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    But you wanted us there.
    Think if Bush did this with Cheney?
    Think of the howling it would have generated.
    Michael Moore would have used it in his docu-comedy, probably looping it.

    Bush... ape.
    Obama... Genius.
    ?
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Think if Bush did this with Cheney?
    Think of the howling it would have generated.
    Michael Moore would have used it in his docu-comedy, probably looping it.

    Bush... ape.
    Obama... Genius.
    ?

    Obama is very quick. He reads his executive orders very clearly, but seems unsure about what's in them up until that very moment. Gregg Craig is going to be the man behind the curtain. The president's press secretary, Gibbs, when asked questions at the 'presser' just after the signing of the executive orders, wasn't sure of the right answers and had to answer more than once "I'll have to ask Gregg [Craig] and get back to you on that.....(no mention of referring the questions to the President. but that would seem inappropriate and would seem to indicate poor communications so...)
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Gitmo is not the problem. Democrats throwing bogus pity parties for Islamic terrorists captured in Afghanistan and misrepresenting them as having criminal rights under our Constitution is the problem.

    What needs to change is whether Democrats are allowed anywhere near positions of power.
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Well, I think the problem is partly of Bush's making. James Robbins at NRO today catpures nicely what I have been arguing and have thought:

    In retrospect, the original sin of the detainee policy was the notion of "unlawful combatant" status, an ill-defined concept utilized to skirt various aspects of the Geneva Conventions regarding POWs. This was a fatal contradiction, since the Bush administration was put in the ungainly position of explaining why the prisoners of our war on terrorism were not "Prisoners of War." They came up with the designation "detainees," an unsatisfactory label that sounds more like the drunk drivers that police collect at a sobriety checkpoint rather than hard core killers taken on the battlefield. Personally, I think it would have been much more sensible to define the terrorists as mercenaries per Article 47 of Geneva Additional Protocol 1 which states, inter alia, "a mercenary shall not have the right to be a combatant or a prisoner of war." That way the US could have worked within the Geneva framework yet achieved the same ends, making it that much harder for critics to charge they were acting illegally.
    He also points out an ironic response to Obama promising to close Gitmo:
    It is ironic that Obama's suspension of military commissions was hailed as a victory for due process, since the advent of the commissions was cheered for exactly the same reason.
    LOL!! Such is politics, eh?

    I think another part of the problem is that the Democrats have failed to present some alternative. It's fine by me that Obama is, errr, not shutting down Gitmo per se, but ending the detention of of WoT individuasls there. But what does he intend to do with them? How do Democrats, who demand civilian trials for these individuals, deal with the problems associated with such trials, protecting intelligence, recalling soldiers from the battlefield, insisting that soldiers behave more like cops on the beat while on the battlefield?? They refuse to answer these questions.

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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Well, at least Bush didn't put Arabs into camps like the Japanese in WWII.
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    Gitmo is not the problem. Democrats throwing bogus pity parties for Islamic terrorists captured in Afghanistan and misrepresenting them as having criminal rights under our Constitution is the problem.

    What needs to change is whether Democrats are allowed anywhere near positions of power.
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Well, I think the problem is partly of Bush's making.
    Sure, if Bush would've found a more effective legal maneuver around Democrats rooting for terrorists at every turn, it would've survived longer, but that hardly makes Democrats rooting for terrorists at every turn Bush's fault.
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