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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Well, we actually signed the Geneva convention, Al-Qaeda. The didn't, so Huamn rights don't apply to them.
    Can you prove the US violated the GC? Is water boarding spelled out in the GC?
    Where the POW's given food, shelter and clothing? Did the US provide copies of the Koran to Islamic POW's? Did the POW's receive medical treatment?


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    They don't think Women shoudl show their facesin public, so you can't even compare the two of them.
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The conservative ideology is the terrorists wet dream. The conservative ideology has created more terrorists than the terrorists could ever hope for.

    They love presidents like Bush and their supporters. They get more terrorists created with conservative ideology than liberal that is for sure.

    Conservative ideology supports and creates terrorists.

    There have been more terrorists recruited under Bush than any other President.

    If you want to support terrorism, support Bush's old policies.

    If that was true the the Cater and Clinton years would have been peaceful.
    We all know it wasn't.

    With Islamic groups like that you don't need to do jack chit for them to hate you. To remain in power they will always need a Satan to rally against.

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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    Can you prove the US violated the GC? Is water boarding spelled out in the GC?
    Where the POW's given food, shelter and clothing? Did the US provide copies of the Koran to Islamic POW's? Did the POW's receive medical treatment?
    Way to spin my words. Im saying they don't have to treat their prisoners humainly, but US prisoners have to be treated humainly. And, I don't thinkt he Geneva convention specifies any type of torture.


    What in the world are you talking about?
    The Taliban do not allow women in Afghanistan to show their face in public. They have to always wear a Burka. So we can't even compare them to the US.
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    The Iraq war is lost. Thee is nothing we cna do now. Period. IF the Iraqia want to keep killing each other then there is nothing we can do to increase stability.
    I rest my case. Even victory cannot deter liberals from calling for surrender. I'm sorry, Ms. Fonda, but only Democrats can reverse course and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    The congress was lied to by Bush and his cronies to get the war i Iraq.


    A flat out lie. Multiple bi-partisan investigations have debunked this falsehood. Try again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    In the beginning, before we invaded Iraq, Afghanitan was na unpopular war because nothing was being achieved except for civilian casualties.
    Bin Laden couldn't have put it better. We're not killing terrorists, just pointlessly bombing civilians. Thank you for demonstrating my point about liberals being cheer-leaders for Islamic terrorists.



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    Damn straight we oppose the patriot act!
    Of course you did. It in no way violated the Constitution and saved countless American lives. It would only make sense for those rooting for the enemy to oppose any such legislation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Its a clear violation of our civil rights outlined int he consititution. Its pretty much saying, "If you say the word Al-Qaeda, and the government hears you they can tap your phones and emails legally."
    Actually, it's like saying, "The non-existent right of foreign terrorists to plot attacks against us over public airwaves in privacy is less important than the actual rights of Americans not to be mass murdered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    American prisoners were repeatedly treated unhumainly.
    News stories perpetuating that smear were repeatedly exposed as frauds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Waterboarding, torture. Humiliation, can be considered torture by some.
    By those rooting for terrorists, sure. But to those of us who read and have thoughts, it is clear that none of these things meet the definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    The world was taking a notice, hence the call for persecution on Bush and his cabinet for crimes agaisnt Humanity and war crimes.


    What a nauseating little follower. War crimes? For locking up terrorists caught trying to kill our troops? For interrogating our enemies like every other country on the planet? You're making Cindy Sheehan look smart. Please stop lowering the IQ of this thread with such asinine drivel.

    We get it. You root for America's enemies. You are a Democrat. If I want to read more of your outrageously dishonest talking points I'll listen to a bin Laden tape.

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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Way to spin my words. Im saying they don't have to treat their prisoners humainly, but US prisoners have to be treated humainly. And, I don't thinkt he Geneva convention specifies any type of torture.
    Did the POW's in GB receive the treatment spelled out by the GC?
    Yes or No?

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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    I rest my case. Even victory cannot deter liberals from calling for surrender. I'm sorry, Ms. Fonda, but only Democrats can reverse course and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory at this point.
    What victory. Stabilisation in Iraq has not increased, more and more US troops die daily, and for what? To prevent a civil war? They ar eon the brink of civil war, and it isn't moving form there. IF they fight their civil war, kill their own people, and then install their governmnt the way they want it, it saves American lives. We can't got there and try to force our way of life on them. IF they don't want a democracy, they don't want it! Leave it be!

    THATS how we can save Americna lives, not with the Patriot act and violate our constitutional rights.


    A flat out lie. Multiple bi-partisan investigations have debunked this falsehood.
    Then show me the weapons of mass destruction then.


    Bin Laden couldn't have put it better. We're not killing terrorists, just pointlessly bombing civilians. Thank you for demonstrating my point about liberals being cheer-leaders for Islamic terrorists.
    Thats exactly whats happening. We have our entire military goal focused in Iraq so intelligence is CRAP in Afghanistan. They have to take the word ofAfghanis, and their translators could be lieing to them for all they know, or their Afghani informants cna be lieing to them, so we don't know who were attacking.

    Sorry that Liberals actually care about Human Beings and HUMAN AND CIVIL RIGHTS.


    Of course you did. It in no way violated the Constitution and saved American lives. It would only make sense for those aiding and abetting the enemy at every turn to oppose any such legislation.
    Tell me how many Terror plots the patriot act has acually foiled. It is ineffective. And I personally d not want my private e-mail or phone calls monitered by the government.

    Say for instance someone is having phone sex with their girflriend and they are muslim and the government phone tapped them, thats just creepy. IT doesn't help in any way, it just violates the constitution, and I am honestly ashmed that our supreme court didn't deem it unconstitutional.

    News stories perpetuating that smear were repeatedly exposed as frauds.
    They have videos of it. And Bush repeatedly said WAterboardig isn't torture, and the world said it was! Those are apparenlt ynot fraudulent.

    By those rooting for terrorists, sure. But to those of us who read and have thoughts, it is clear that none of these things meet the definition.
    Ok then, someone being investigated for the murder fo 500 people over a 30 year period, they wont talk to the police, od you allow waterboarding there? OR is that sponsoring terrorists as well?



    What a nauseating little follower. War crimes? For locking up terrorists caught trying to kill our troops? For interrogating our enemies like every other country on the planet? Please stop lowering the IQ of this thread with such asinine drivel.
    No, not for capturing terrorists. For torturing them. Thats why. And if the UN had enough balls, as I said before, they would persecute Bush and Cheney, and Rumsfeld.



    We get it. You root for America's enemies. You are a Democrat. If I want to read more of your outrageously dishonest talking points I'll listen to a bin Laden tape.
    I have extreme support of my country, and if it were up to me, we would have caught Bin Laden already, but yor good 'ole pal Bush didn't allow that, did he? HE wanted SAddam to damn bad to get OSama, the man that actually ATTACKED the US and kille 2000 innocent Americans.

    So you cna blame your conservative former president for the terrorists to still be out there. HE was mroe focused on Iraq, not the real hub of terrorism.
    Quote Originally Posted by President Barack Hussein Obama's Inaugural Address
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    Did the POW's in GB receive the treatment spelled out by the GC?
    Yes or No?
    I don't know. I havent read the Geneva convetion. But I will happily research thatnad get back to you about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by President Barack Hussein Obama's Inaugural Address
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    If I don't got it, you don't got it, got it?

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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    What victory. Stabilisation in Iraq has not increased, more and more US troops die daily, and for what? To prevent a civil war?
    Your left-wing propaganda sites must have forgotten to inform you that the surge worked, contrary to everything Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi told us. We reached huge military and political milestones and have given huge chunks of the country back to the Iraqis. Al Qaida is in full retreat, regrouping in Afghanistan. Get a clue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    They ar eon the brink of civil war, and it isn't moving form there.
    Meanwhile on planet Earth, the exact opposite it is true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    We can't got there and try to force our way of life on them. IF they don't want a democracy, they don't want it! Leave it be!
    Yeah, because we've seen what a disaster every other place became once we started "forcing our way of life" on them, like Germany, Japan, Bosnia, etc.



    Sorry, this is just too ridiculous for me to waste anymore time on.
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    Where to be putting the prisoners please...
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The conservative ideology is the terrorists wet dream. The conservative ideology has created more terrorists than the terrorists could ever hope for.

    They love presidents like Bush and their supporters. They get more terrorists created with conservative ideology than liberal that is for sure.

    Conservative ideology supports and creates terrorists.

    There have been more terrorists recruited under Bush than any other President.

    If you want to support terrorism, support Bush's old policies.
    So I'm guessing (maybe hoping is the better term) you've never complained or bitched about the "Politics of Fear" before, right?

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