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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy - Yahoo! News


    So does this mean we DON'T have to take prisoners anymore?

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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    Sure, if Bush would've found a more effective legal maneuver around Democrats rooting for terrorists at every turn, it would've survived longer, but that hardly makes Democrats rooting for terrorists at every turn Bush's fault.
    Democrats are not rooting for terrorists. That is just stupid. Honestly. If that was the case, Obama would not be focusing more on Afghanistan where the TERRORISTS are.

    Democrats simply root for human rights and Guantanamo Bay was a clerar violation of that, and if the UN had any balls they would have done something about it instead of waiting for a smart person to finally close it.
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Democrats are not rooting for terrorists. That is just stupid. Honestly. If that was the case, Obama would not be focusing more on Afghanistan where the TERRORISTS are.

    Democrats simply root for human rights and Guantanamo Bay was a clerar violation of that, and if the UN had any balls they would have done something about it instead of waiting for a smart person to finally close it.
    How was Guantanamo a "clear human rigts violation"?

    Water boarding?.........


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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Democrats are not rooting for terrorists. That is just stupid. Honestly. If that was the case, Obama would not be focusing more on Afghanistan where the TERRORISTS are.
    Now that the central front in the War on Terror (Iraq-according to every participant from Osama bin Laden and General Petraeus) has been won, despite Democrats telling it was lost, trying to cut off funding at every turn, constantly misrepresenting it as a "quagmire," a hopeless "civil war," and comparing it to Vietnam, and repeatedly stabbing our troops in the back, yes, Obama is pretending to care about hunting Islamic terrorists (just as Clinton did) in Afghanistan, where the defeated remnants of al Qaida in Iraq have fled.

    These are the same people who

    -trashed the war in Afghanistan until it could be used to undermine the next war they voted for in Iraq,

    -opposed the Patriot Act,

    -opposed Gitmo,

    -appeased North Korea as it went nuclear,

    -retreated from Islamic terrorists in Somalia,

    -betrayed our allies to install Iran's lunatic terrorist regime,

    -allowed al Qaida to attack us with impunity for nearly eight years straight,

    -repeatedly refused to capture or kill bin Laden,

    -oppose profiling (even though virtually 100% of those who have attacked our planes all fit one distinct profile),

    -allowed the 9/11 hijackers, identified as terrorist threats, on board our planes,

    -tied the hands of the CIA, FBI, and police to discuss terrorist threats, etc.

    It goes on and on. If they weren't rooting for terrorists; if it were mere stupidity leading them to repeatedly side with terrorists, common sense dictates that something they do would occasionally benefit the U.S. and not terrorists. "Stupid" is more like looking at mountains of evidence all pointing to the same thing and, like an O.J. juror, somehow managing to conclude the exact opposite, as you have-that it's all a coincidence. Me describing liberals as rooting for terrorists is just the natural consequence of me paying attention. Sorry you haven't been keeping up.

    It is a matter of record that terrorist attacks thwarted over the last eight years would not have been prevented had Democrats gotten their way on things like the Patriot Act. But instead of conceding the point, liberals go on doing things like needlessly exposing the inner-workings of highly classified anti-terror programs on the front pages of major papers.

    Who did Democrats rush in to protect when it became public that our troops were being targeted by Iranian forces inside Iraq? Not our troops. They rushed in to protect Iran. There's a reason that every rabid America-hating jihadist from Hamas leaders to Bin Laden himself keeps publicly endorsing Democrats for president.

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Democrats simply root for human rights and Guantanamo Bay was a clerar violation of that,
    Wrong again. Terrorists captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan being detained at Gitmo in no way violated anyone's human rights. That's a fact. Taking prisoners is a standard, legal, and widely accepted feature of war. Democrats feverishly trying to release terrorists from Gitmo has nothing to do with human rights. They do it for the same reason that their policies always advance the interests of terrorists-they root against America and for its enemies, every time, all the time.

    Next BS smokescreen please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    and if the UN had any balls they would have done something about it instead of waiting for a smart person to finally close it.
    Only a liberal could manage to deduce that the release of our enemies-dozens of which have already been recaptured killing our troops on the battlefield-is anything other than the antithesis of smart.
    Last edited by aquapub; 01-25-09 at 09:40 PM.
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    Sure, if Bush would've found a more effective legal maneuver around Democrats rooting for terrorists at every turn, it would've survived longer, but that hardly makes Democrats rooting for terrorists at every turn Bush's fault.


    How can anyone post such utter nonsense! Now if you had pointed to a specific group of Democrats and how they actually and specifically rooted for terrorism maybe someone would believe you...but who can possibly believe that any American politician or legitimate group support terrorism?

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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

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    How can anyone post such utter nonsense! Now if you had pointed to a specific group of Democrats and how they actually and specifically rooted for terrorism maybe someone would believe you...but who can possibly believe that any American politician or legitimate group support terrorism?
    "Rooted" or "supported" are not the best of words to use but several others are like "Turn a blind eye" or "pretend it didn't happen".
    Supporting terrorist and sticking your head in the sand gives you the same effect. It gets people killed.

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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    The conservative ideology is the terrorists wet dream. The conservative ideology has created more terrorists than the terrorists could ever hope for.

    They love presidents like Bush and their supporters. They get more terrorists created with conservative ideology than liberal that is for sure.

    Conservative ideology supports and creates terrorists.

    There have been more terrorists recruited under Bush than any other President.

    If you want to support terrorism, support Bush's old policies.

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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    How can anyone post such utter nonsense! Now if you had pointed to a specific group of Democrats and how they actually and specifically rooted for terrorism maybe someone would believe you...but who can possibly believe that any American politician or legitimate group support terrorism?
    The roughly 100% pro-terror voting record does not belong to some faction. It belongs to the Democratic Party. They've opposed every single thing this country has done to protect itself since 9/11. See post 14. Virtually 100% of their policies advance the interests of our enemies and compromise national defense. 100% is beyond coincidence.

    They admit openly that they think America is too powerful and arrogant. It's not some giant leap to connect that with their constant resistance to national defense. Sorry you can't grasp it.
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    Now that the central front in the War on Terror (Iraq-according to every participant from Osama bin Laden and General Petraeus) has been won, despite Democrats telling it was lost, trying to cut off funding at every turn, constantly misrepresenting it as a "quagmire," a hopeless "civil war," and comparing it to Vietnam, and repeatedly stabbing our troops in the back, yes, Obama is pretending to care about hunting Islamic terrorists (just as Clinton did) in Afghanistan, where the defeated remnants of al Qaida in Iraq have fled.
    The Iraq war is lost. Thee is nothing we cna do now. Period. IF the Iraqia want to keep killing each other then there is nothing we can do to increase stability.

    These are the same people who

    -trashed the war in Afghanistan until it could be used to undermine the next war they voted for in Iraq,
    The congress was lied to by Bush and his cronies to get the war i Iraq. In the beginning, before we invaded Iraq, Afghanitan was na unpopular war because nothing was being achieved except for civilian casualties.



    -opposed the Patriot Act,
    Damn straight we oppose the patriot act!
    Its a clear violation of our civil rights outlined int he consititution. Its pretty much saying, "If you say the word Al-Qaeda, and the government hears you they can tap your phones and emails legally."

    -opposed Gitmo,
    American prisoners were repeatedly treated unhumainly. Waterboarding, torture. Humiliation, can be considered torture by some.

    The world was taking a notice, hence the call for persecution on Bush and his cabinet for crimes agaisnt Humanity and war crimes.


    -appeased North Korea as it went nuclear,
    Noth Korea is the least of our problems, they know that if they even think of launching a nuclear missle at the US, South Korea, or another US ally, that they wold be annihalated before the missle even reached US soil.


    -retreated from Islamic terrorists in Somalia,
    Again, least of our worries. Many African conflicts do not leave the continent of Africa and most nations there are too poor too cause much national security problems for the US.



    -betrayed our allies to install Iran's lunatic terrorist regime,
    He was elected by the Iranian people. We elected Bush didn't we,if we knew he was gunna screw up this much we wouldn't have elected him. Same goes for Iran. And it was Reagan, a republican, who secretly gave them weapons to fight the Iraqis.



    -allowed al Qaida to attack us with impunity for nearly eight years straight,
    Thats WAR.


    -repeatedly refused to capture or kill bin Laden,
    Really. If that were the case then Obama would be withdrawing from Afghanistan as well as IRaq, not focusing more on the country where OSama is supposedly hiding out.
    We would ave caught him years ago if Bush wasn't an idiot and invaded Iraq by LIEING.

    -oppose profiling (even though virtually 100% of those who have attacked our planes all fit one distinct profile),
    Ok, your muslim your not allowed to board a US plane. That looks real good for our Human Rights record.

    -allowed the 9/11 hijackers, identified as terrorist threats, on board our planes,
    That was a republican adminstation, and a CIA leader chosen by Bush, so thats on the republicans. Not the democrats.

    -tied the hands of the CIA, FBI, and police to discuss terrorist threats, etc.
    That sorta follows profiling so see above.


    It goes on and on. If they weren't rooting for terrorists; if it were mere stupidity leading them to repeatedly side with terrorists, common sense dictates that something they do would occasionally benefit the U.S. and not terrorists. "Stupid" is more like looking at mountains of evidence all pointing to the same thing and, like an O.J. juror, somehow managing to conclude the exact opposite, as you have-that it's all a coincidence. Me describing liberals as rooting for terrorists is just the natural consequence of me paying attention. Sorry you haven't been keeping up.
    You conservatives are still sour about the election and are just looking for some way to make the Democrats look bad in some way. Mostly by making up useless and putrageous rhetoric. For example, Democrats rooting for terrorists. Real plausible. Let me tell you.

    It is a matter of record that terrorist attacks thwarted over the last eight years would not have been prevented had Democrats gotten their way on things like the Patriot Act.
    What thwarted terror attacks?! That was the British, I know UK and US can be confusing sometimes.


    But instead of conceding the point, liberals go on doing things like needlessly exposing the inner-workings of highly classified anti-terror programs on the front pages of major papers.
    PRsidential Archives anwyay, it would be found out anyway, at least democrats are honest with their country, rather than make up things like, oh I don't know, Weapons of Mass Destruction, to invade a country.

    Who did Democrats rush in to protect when it became public that our troops were being targeted by Iranian forces inside Iraq? Not our troops. They rushed in to protect Iran. There's a reason that every rabid America-hating jihadist from Hamas leaders to Bin Laden himself keeps publicly endorsing Democrats for president.
    Did you ever think that maybe Osama is attempting to create another fornt for his AL-Qaeda to fight on? Maybe we can't believe every little thing somene says. And if you can get me proof that someone from Iran, sponsored by the government, was attacking US soldiers, then bring it here and show me.


    Wrong again. Terrorists captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan being detained at Gitmo in no way violated anyone's human rights. That's a fact. Taking prisoners is a standard, legal, and widely accepted feature of war. Democrats feverishly trying to release terrorists from Gitmo has nothing to do with human rights. They do it for the same reason that their policies always advance the interests of terrorists-they root against America and for its enemies, every time, all the time.
    I really am beggining to think you are academically challengd. For osmeoe to say that any American politician is rooting for terrorists and American enemy is just stupid. IT really is just plum stupid. Waterboarding, is viewed as torture by pretty much anyone other then the right-winged idiots.
    When you make them get naked and humiliate them, that can be seen as a form of torture.

    IF you dont think Waterboarding is torture, then go do it yourself and ocme bakc and tell me what you thought about it.



    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    How was Guantanamo a "clear human rigts violation"?

    Water boarding?.........


    Beats the **** out of having your head cut off for hadji tv.
    Well, we actually signed the Geneva convention, Al-Qaeda. The didn't, so Huamn rights don't apply to them. They don't think Women shoudl show their facesin public, so you can't even compare the two of them.
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    Re: Obama closing Guantanamo as he reshapes US policy

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The conservative ideology is the terrorists wet dream.
    Which is why they openly root for Democrats.

    Way to think it through.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The conservative ideology has created more terrorists than the terrorists could ever hope for.
    Fighting back does make us unpopular among those attacking us, sure. But Democrats spent eight years proving that cowering and groveling also creates terrorists, and emboldens them. Bush's way demoralizes and defeats them.

    But you go ahead and stick with the failed policies of the past. It works to our advantage when liberals admit what they stand for.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    They love presidents like Bush and their supporters. They get more terrorists created with conservative ideology than liberal that is for sure.
    That's funny, according to bin Laden, it was the Democrat retreat from Somalia that swelled his ranks and put al Qaida on the map.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Conservative ideology supports and creates terrorists.
    Pot, meet kettle.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There have been more terrorists recruited under Bush than any other President.
    Unless you count Clinton and Carter.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If you want to support terrorism, support Bush's old policies.
    Actually, after eight years of emboldening and creating terrorists through retreat and surrender under Democrats, Bush's policy of actually lifting a finger to fight back has been kind of refreshing and new.
    Last edited by aquapub; 01-25-09 at 10:34 PM.
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