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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Yes, we can.
    Is THAT what that slogan meant?

    Yes, we can waste money?


    We shall see.....

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Quick questions :

    Is this a pig ?

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    Thank you for playing!
    1) But pigs and chickens don't have souls!

    2) But pigs and chickens don't have human DNA!

    3) But pigs and chickens can't become the next Obama (or Hitler).

    4) But pigs and chickens don't mind dying before they are even conscious.

    5) We don't know if we shouldn't kill pigs and chickens! (your lawn agrees)

    6) .... Ok... I'm out.
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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Who's presenting emotion laden arguments and foolish straw man mockery? That speaks volumes.

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    You guys nearly destroyed the @#$%ing world.

    Our turn.
    I certainly hope you don't succeed.....in destroying the world, that is.

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Who's presenting emotion laden arguments and foolish straw man mockery? That speaks volumes.
    Would it make you feel better if I also presented the asinine reasons for being pro-choice?

    There's not as many but they do exist.
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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Would it make you feel better if I also presented the asinine reasons for being pro-choice?

    There's not as many but they do exist.
    No...your asinine posts do fine.

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    No...your asinine posts do fine.
    Anything for you cupcake
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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    1) As far as abortion goes, I believe it should be legal in those states which want it, and illegal in those which don't. It is up to the states themselves, and none of the Federal government's business. This is the reason that I am opposed to Roe v. Wade, just as I am opposed to any effort to federally criminalize abortion.
    The problem with this is that leaving it up to the states leaves the states open to instituting laws which could be wrong. For example. Lets say Washington put a ban on abortion. Law stating that if anyone that lives in Wasington State had an abortion then they would be prosecuted for 1st degree murder. But next door in Idaho abortion is legal. Someone from Washington wants and abortion so they go to Idaho to get it done. They come back to Washington and get turned in by a very nosey nieghbor. This person then gets prosecuted for having an abortion...even though she did it in a state where it is legal. This is why the Federal Government had to take control of the issue. It leaves the states open to make laws that could contradict anothers states laws. IE it leaves it open for abuse.

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    2) When you give Federal money for abortion counseling, you are essentially disrespecting the beliefs of those states which made abortion illegal. Yes, I am in favor of a woman's right to choose, but I would not dare to hit those who disagree with me over the head with my belief any more than I would agree with somebody hitting me over the head with a Bible and telling me I am going to hell.
    This links into 1. Something that you also must remember is that for many (certainly not all) the abortion issue is a religious issue. And the government cannot make laws based upon religion.

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    3) America is not a one size fits all nation. Different areas of the country have different beliefs, and they are entitled to them. Whether a state supports or bans abortion is, frankly, none of the Federal government's business.
    You are correct here. However for certain issues like abortion a "one size fits all" is a must.
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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    As one of his first acts, President Obama is going to repeal the Bush rule that barred Federal money being used to counsel women on abortion services. Obama is also repealing the Bush rule against Federal money being used for stem cell research.

    As far as Federal funding of stem cell research, that is a good decision. However, funding abortion services, IMHO, is wrong. Here is why:

    1) As far as abortion goes, I believe it should be legal in those states which want it, and illegal in those which don't. It is up to the states themselves, and none of the Federal government's business. This is the reason that I am opposed to Roe v. Wade, just as I am opposed to any effort to federally criminalize abortion.

    2) When you give Federal money for abortion counseling, you are essentially disrespecting the beliefs of those states which made abortion illegal. Yes, I am in favor of a woman's right to choose, but I would not dare to hit those who disagree with me over the head with my belief any more than I would agree with somebody hitting me over the head with a Bible and telling me I am going to hell.

    3) America is not a one size fits all nation. Different areas of the country have different beliefs, and they are entitled to them. Whether a state supports or bans abortion is, frankly, none of the Federal government's business.

    So, where do I stand in regard to Obama's decision today? On stem cell research, bravo. On Federal funding of abortionists, boo.

    Article is here.
    From the linked article (emphasis added):

    In one of his first acts as president, Barack Obama is planning to lift a rule that prevents federal money from going to international family planning groups that counsel women on abortion or perform the procedure.

    /snip/

    Called the "Mexico City policy," the rule prohibiting federal aid for such groups was announced by President Ronald Reagan during a population conference in that city in 1984. Critics call it the "global gag rule" because it discourages family planning groups from discussing abortion.

    Since its implementation, the policy has been alternately revoked and reinstituted, depending on the party controlling the White House.
    This executive order has nothing to do with federally funding abortions in the US.

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    3) America is not a one size fits all nation. Different areas of the country have different beliefs, and they are entitled to them. Whether a state supports or bans abortion is, frankly, none of the Federal government's business.
    In different areas of the country the majority holds different beliefs. The same beliefs are common all across the country, into every nook and cranny, the only difference is the majority. Minorities should be able to adhere to their own beliefs wherever they reside so long as their actions do not cause chaos in society. The entire Bill of Rights is essentially for the purpose of protecting minority's rights, as the majority needs no such protection. IOW, a majority that supports legalizing abortion should not be able to force women to have abortions.
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