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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    There is a strong lobby to do the unnecessary and unneeded to placate and salve the "feelings" of those suffering horrible afflictions.
    ok, then fight the lobby but don't make asinine bans on ESCR to achieve such ends.

    You solution is like banning the republican party from politics because you disagree with their platform even though its enitrely legal.
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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    ok, then fight the lobby but don't make asinine bans on ESCR to achieve such ends.

    You solution is like banning the republican party from politics because you disagree with their platform even though its enitrely legal.
    What don't you understand about waste of money? There is nothing necessary to destroy embryos. AND There is a vested interest in obtaining the leftover embryos of IVF treatment. It is like a new vein of gold for people who want to do research on the cheap and to hell with ethics of buying and selling of body parts (even though it's actually buying and selling of complete human organisms--also known as slavery).
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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    What hurts is killing babies is not even necessary.......They have found out they can get the same outcome from adult stem cells.........Why is the left so anxious to kill babies? I will never understand that.........
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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    What don't you understand about waste of money?
    What don't you understand about how government money is appropriated? Once again, the repeal of the ban does not change the total amount of funding allocated for scientific research, ESCR or otherwise.

    If you got a problem with the method in which government officials appropriate funding then make your argument. But its got nothing to do with ESCR.

    There is nothing necessary to destroy embryos. AND There is a vested interest in obtaining the leftover embryos of IVF treatment. It is like a new vein of gold for people who want to do research on the cheap and to hell with ethics of buying and selling of body parts
    what's wrong with buying or selling body parts as long as they are acquired legally?

    (even though it's actually buying and selling of complete human organisms--
    Yea, and? Do you care about brain-dead people this much as well? Should we not harvest the organs and itssues of the braindead for the benefit of others?

    also known as slavery).
    yea, my other non-cognizant belongings such as my computer and toilet are slaves too.

    Let's try to be mature here.
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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Okay here is something that scares me about what you posted:

    Unfortunately, one of the four genes used (namely, c-Myc) is oncogenic, and 20% of the chimeric mice developed cancer. In a later study, Yamanaka reported that one can create iPSCs even without c-Myc. The process takes longer and is not as efficient, but the resulting chimeras didn't develop cancer.[7]
    I think both adult and embryonic research should be funded seeing that we just don't know enough about this yet.

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    What don't you understand about how government money is appropriated? Once again, the repeal of the ban does not change the total amount of funding allocated for scientific research, ESCR or otherwise.
    if the total amount of funding allocated for research is fixed, wouldn't the repeal of this ban mean said money was spread much more thinly? in that case, it would really have to be worth it, wouldn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    yea, my other non-cognizant belongings such as my computer and toilet are slaves too.

    Let's try to be mature here.
    hmmm.

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Okay here is something that scares me about what you posted:



    I think both adult and embryonic research should be funded seeing that we just don't know enough about this yet.
    You did see that has been dealt with--it's in your quote. It just takes a little longer to produce...OH NO!!!

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    if the total amount of funding allocated for research is fixed, wouldn't the repeal of this ban mean said money was spread much more thinly?
    No, not necessarily! That's my point. Appropriators decide where government money goes. They may decide that all ESCR research grants requests aren't viable and thus not appropriate any money toward research requests. Its up to the appropriators to decide based upon the merits of the requests.

    in that case, it would really have to be worth it, wouldn't it?
    Exactly. That's for the appropriators to decide who are experts in their relative fields.



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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Embryonic stem cell research is unnecessary and a waste of money. There's your "non-religious argument" against it. We can't afford to waste money.
    Yes, we can.
    In fact, we need to waste money in order to stimulate the economy.
    I just read it yesterday in TIME.
    I'd rather waste it on this than on abstinence-only education.
    You just had eight fracking years of "your way".
    Now it's time for me to have it my way.
    Surely you didn't think the conservative fundamentalist idyll could last forever?
    You guys nearly destroyed the @#$%ing world.

    Our turn.

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What hurts is killing babies is not even necessary.......They have found out they can get the same outcome from adult stem cells.........Why is the left so anxious to kill babies? I will never understand that.........
    To decrease the surplus population.
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