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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The problem with this is that leaving it up to the states leaves the states open to instituting laws which could be wrong. For example. Lets say Washington put a ban on abortion. Law stating that if anyone that lives in Wasington State had an abortion then they would be prosecuted for 1st degree murder. But next door in Idaho abortion is legal. Someone from Washington wants and abortion so they go to Idaho to get it done. They come back to Washington and get turned in by a very nosey nieghbor. This person then gets prosecuted for having an abortion...even though she did it in a state where it is legal. This is why the Federal Government had to take control of the issue. It leaves the states open to make laws that could contradict anothers states laws. IE it leaves it open for abuse.
    The federal Government, though, didn't take control. Unelected and unaccountable judges took control of a public policy issue and removed it from the democratic process.

    This links into 1. Something that you also must remember is that for many (certainly not all) the abortion issue is a religious issue. And the government cannot make laws based upon religion.
    Weak. Says who?

    I guess if you pretend that the 1st Amendment really means that the government has the power to protect us from religion you could get there, but, alas, that's not the 1st Amendment. If you wanna talk about the wall of separation concept I would suggest that you read Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist's as it reveals what he thought that concept really meant.

    You are correct here. However for certain issues like abortion a "one size fits all" is a must.
    Nonsense. What you're advocating is for judicial usurptation of the democratic process.

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Well, to be fair people complained about Bush after he was elected because of how close the race was and how the electoral college said that Bush won, yet the popular vote said that Gore won. People did unite behind Bush after 9/11 too, but that only really lasted until the Iraq war and that's when people really started to criticize him. I'm not trying to justify their complaints, I'm just saying there was a bit more cause there. A lot of people on the right (Rush Limbaugh for instance) are hoping that Obama fails and considering the economic crisis that we are in and all of the other crap I think it's important that we unite at least on that front. That doesn't mean that you can't criticize the man's policies that you didn't agree with in the first place, though.
    Unity is an unteneble and unknowable position. IMO, I don't prefer unity. Political disagreement and dissent is a good and healthy thing.

    And, btw, I listen to Rush everyday and I have not heard him say that he wishes Obama fails. He simply doesn't agree that Obama's proposals will be the right policy calls.

    But do continue drawing grossly unfair caricatures of him...

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Unity is an unteneble and unknowable position. IMO, I don't prefer unity. Political disagreement and dissent is a good and healthy thing.

    And, btw, I listen to Rush everyday and I have not heard him say that he wishes Obama fails. He simply doesn't agree that Obama's proposals will be the right policy calls.

    But do continue drawing grossly unfair caricatures of him...
    Then you must have missed this broadcast.

    YouTube - Rush Limbaugh: "I hope Obama fails"

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    from the broadcast.
    "I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year and a half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed."

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    from the broadcast.
    "I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year and a half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed."
    Did he or did he not say "I hope Obama fails." ??

    And by the way, his policies and politics are tied to how he's going to fix the economy. It's one thing to say you don't agree with his policies and politics, but to hope that he fails? That's a bit absurd to me. It goes to show how some people still love to play the partisan politics game.
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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Then you must have missed this broadcast.

    YouTube - Rush Limbaugh: "I hope Obama fails"
    I must have then. Do you have a transcript?

    Mea cupla!

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    I must have then. Do you have a transcript?

    Mea cupla!
    You can read it here.

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    from the broadcast.
    "I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year and a half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed."
    This kinda clears it up. Rush believes that Obama's policies are socialist in nature and intended to cause a deliberate and dramatic leftward shift in American government and economy. Yeah, given this, I'd say Rush would want Obama's policies to fail. In fact, so would I.

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    "I don't want--what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible. from the banking business, the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to the healthcare--I do not want the government in charge of all these things. I don't want this to work!...I hope he fails."

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    Re: Obama To Alter Abortion Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Did he or did he not say "I hope Obama fails." ??

    And by the way, his policies and politics are tied to how he's going to fix the economy. It's one thing to say you don't agree with his policies and politics, but to hope that he fails? That's a bit absurd to me. It goes to show how some people still love to play the partisan politics game.
    As if Obama ain't playng partisan policts...pfffft. Funny, despite all of Obama's rhetoric of openness to new ideas, his entire legisaltive history is not just centrist-Democrat but left liberal. There's no way you can be open to persuasion from your ideological opponents and, yet, always fall in the same direction as left-liberal legislative colleagues.

    Color me underwhelmed with this presumed post-partisan crap.

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