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    Re: EU cannot trust Russia or Ukraine, Barroso says

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    What the hell has Iran got to do with anything we were talking about. You said Russia as far as I remember.

    And the links between the IRA and similar and America and Americans are murky and far from pure it seems.
    As I said ... Russia sells missles and bombs to Iran.

    You're blowing smoke ... and failing at it.

    You failed -- move on.

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    Re: EU cannot trust Russia or Ukraine, Barroso says

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    As I said ... Russia sells missles and bombs to Iran.

    You're blowing smoke ... and failing at it.

    You failed -- move on.
    Both Europe and the US have sold missiles and weapons to failed African states for decades. Makes us no better than Russia if you look at the bigger perspectives, rather than a narrow perspective which focuses on disliking Russia and liking your own country.

    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: EU cannot trust Russia or Ukraine, Barroso says

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Both Europe and the US have sold missiles and weapons to failed African states for decades. Makes us no better than Russia if you look at the bigger perspectives, rather than a narrow perspective which focuses on disliking Russia and liking your own country.


    We aren't selling nuclear technology to a terrorist state. Russia is doing exactly that.

    There is a difference and I suggest you learn it.


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    Re: EU cannot trust Russia or Ukraine, Barroso says

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    We aren't selling nuclear technology to a terrorist state. Russia is doing exactly that.
    after being approved by all five members of the UN Security Council, including the US.

    Rusia moves, Russia scores.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    There is a difference and I suggest you learn it.
    and the approval of the members council makes the difference,doesn't it?

    Rusia moves, Russia scores.

    What are you going to do with your little helpless Russophobia, now? What are you feeding it on, - what do you read, whatch, listen to, - or it is just a
    hallucination of yours? What does inflict it?

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    Re: EU cannot trust Russia or Ukraine, Barroso says

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    With the election of Obama in the US Russia has the dominant position in Europe.

    USA will now deal with Russia to Russia's benefit at the expense of its own allies.
    No, but hopefully the USA will deal with Russia to the USA's benefit.

    As for the "dominant position in Europe" that is a joke. From Ramstein to Aviano it should be clear where the real power lies. And who pays for that power? We do. If our allies don't like it, tough.

    As for blaming Russia because they give weapons to states we don't like, get over it. The US exports more arms than anyone, and it's not even close. Unless, of course, you hold the America-Does-No-Wrong view, in which case it must have be a good thing we armed Afghan heathen to kill Russians.

    Now, if Russia is found to have given nuclear capablities to Iran then that is a different issue entirely, and could even make a case of war criminality to Russia's leaders....Like there's a case against all the US Presidents who gave weapons to a nuclear-equipped Israel (which is illegal and why you'll never hear official US policy admit the existence of those nukes).
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    Re: EU cannot trust Russia or Ukraine, Barroso says

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    No, but hopefully the USA will deal with Russia to the USA's benefit.

    As for the "dominant position in Europe" that is a joke. From Ramstein to Aviano it should be clear where the real power lies. And who pays for that power? We do. If our allies don't like it, tough.

    As for blaming Russia because they give weapons to states we don't like, get over it. The US exports more arms than anyone, and it's not even close. Unless, of course, you hold the America-Does-No-Wrong view, in which case it must have be a good thing we armed Afghan heathen to kill Russians.

    Now, if Russia is found to have given nuclear capablities to Iran then that is a different issue entirely, and could even make a case of war criminality to Russia's leaders....Like there's a case against all the US Presidents who gave weapons to a nuclear-equipped Israel (which is illegal and why you'll never hear official US policy admit the existence of those nukes).
    Soviets, not exactly Russians were killed in Afgan,. It was the right thing to resist Communism.

    There is such a simple fact that Russia gets money for its weapons, and this money is the goal they pursue first. In its attempts to recover from the economical catastrophe caused by years of democracy, Russia needs money badly. There is not too much of advanced technology Russia can offer to the market, but Russian weapons are really cool.

    Hypothetically, Russia apparently wouldn’t not mind to sell its technology and weapons to the US ( that of course would save trillions to American taxpayers)

    The second motive of course is to gain an independent position on the global stage, to be their own masters.

    Russia pretty much balances not to overpower its own enemies, and it tries to balance with Iran walking on the edge. In exchange Iran restrains itself in spreading terrorism in the sphere of Russian interests, and Russia shows to the US that it has strings to pull if the US keeps on seeking military confrontation with Russia.

    The sale of Russian weapons (though they didn’t represent latest Russian technology, yet) to India, which is our partner allowed Pentagon to try them in a fight simulation the first time in decades. I bet you’ve heard no line, no word about it here.

    ’South Korea is developing a simplified version of the S-400 called Cheolmae-2 with the help of Almaz Central Design Bureau. The Cheolmae-2 will be comprised of an X-band multi-function radar vehicle built by Almaz, a command post vehicle and several transporter-erector-launchers for Koreanized 9M96 missiles. The prime contractor is Samsung Thales, a joint venture between Samsung Electronics and Thales of France.’’


    Just for you since you you will never hear or read this,- X-band multi-function radar is a part of the system shooting Stealth aircraft.


    The idea that Russia sells weapons to our enemies omits the fact that it sells better weapons to our allies and partners. The later fact makes the former idea mute.

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    Re: EU cannot trust Russia or Ukraine, Barroso says

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    As I said ... Russia sells missles and bombs to Iran.

    You're blowing smoke ... and failing at it.

    You failed -- move on.
    So? America is the only nation to be convicted of supporting terrorism I believe, not to mention the intimate association between it and Fenians.

    You are talking crap again, you fail, don't throw stone when you live in a glass house mate.
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    Re: EU cannot trust Russia or Ukraine, Barroso says

    I think the EU needs to suffer a bit. They've got too big for their breaches. Socialist bastards need to remember if they want Soviet domination or ours. They can be slaves or free.
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    Re: EU cannot trust Russia or Ukraine, Barroso says

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think the EU needs to suffer a bit. They've got too big for their breaches. Socialist bastards need to remember if they want Soviet domination or ours. They can be slaves or free.
    We've already got Soviet domination, it is called the EU or the EUSSR.
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    Re: EU cannot trust Russia or Ukraine, Barroso says

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    We've already got Soviet domination, it is called the EU or the EUSSR.
    Good, I hope it stays that way for a while. All those EU countries that bitches about the US, can suck it up for a while.
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