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Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

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The Institute for Foreign Policy Analysis (IFPA) is an conservative research and strategic planning organization that specializes in issues of national security, foreign policy, political economics, and government-industrial relations.

The IFPA was founded in 1976 by a seed grant from the Scaife Family Trust to focus on "the danger of international communism and the need for a strong defense for the United States."

The IFPA and its small-business subsidiary, National Security Planning Associates (NSPA), provide programs and services that include the following:

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The IFPA has received millions of dollars in funding from conservative foundations such as the Carthage Foundation, the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the Earhart Foundation and the Smith Richardson Foundation.[1] Military contractors Raytheon, Rockwell International, McDonnell Douglas, Westinghouse, G.T.E. and Boeing Aerospace have all contributed money to the IFPA. So has the Defense Nuclear Agency and the Department of the Navy.

On April 8, 1992, Pfaltzgraff wrote a piece for the Wall Street Journal praising the Raytheon-produced Patriot missile, and attacking MIT professor's Dr. Theodore Postol's questioning of its effectiveness. Other members of the IFPA sung the praises of the Raytheon corporations Patriot missile as well. In the fiscal year 1991, Raytheon's Missile Systems Division had donated $60,000 to the IFPA.
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Conservatives mouthpieces for hire.
 
Kandahar said:
Ah, but it wasn't "their" statements. It was Ahmadinejad's statements. He doesn't speak for Iran...he doesn't even speak for the government of Iran. At best, he's the third most powerful person in Iran...and probably a lot lower on the totem pole than that.

Now a nuclear Iran would certainly not be pleasant to deal with, but the people who would actually have their finger on the button are skilled enough in realpolitik to not bring about their own immediate demise.
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Doesn't Iran support Hamas with weapons and don't you think the may hand them a nuclear car-bomb?
 
zimmer said:
Life is tough isn't it. If they don't disarm, then there is no option. So...

In a word.

Yes we will have to bomb.

Repercussions. Surely.

Nukes in the hands of kooks have far more serious repercussions.

I'd rather have the fallout on their turf than ours. Both types.

If the intel is correct, Obama will have this to deal with. Of course he can pull a move like The Clintons did, and push serious threats to #45.
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You didn't answer my other question. Do you think we will be able to destroy Iran's thousands of underground nuclear sites without a single exception? There are surely lots of them that our intelligence doesn't even know about.
 
creativedreams said:
Doesn't Iran support Hamas with weapons and don't you think the may hand them a nuclear car-bomb?
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If they wanted to nuke Israel they'd do it themselves, rather than give a nuke to irresponsible ****ups like Hamas. I'm sure they're under no illusions that the CIA wouldn't be able to figure out where the bomb came from.
 
Kandahar said:
You didn't answer my other question. Do you think we will be able to destroy Iran's thousands of underground nuclear sites without a single exception? There are surely lots of them that our intelligence doesn't even know about.
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Yes.

I have no doubt.
 
Kandahar said:
You didn't answer my other question. Do you think we will be able to destroy Iran's thousands of underground nuclear sites without a single exception? There are surely lots of them that our intelligence doesn't even know about.
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False premise.
You don't need to destory ALL the sites to hinder/cripple/stop their nuclear weapons program.
 
Goobieman said:
False premise.
You don't need to destory ALL the sites to hinder/cripple/stop their nuclear weapons program.
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You need to at least take out all of the MAIN sites, most of which are underground and thus hard to destroy with bombs.
 
Kandahar said:
You need to at least take out all of the MAIN sites, most of which are underground and thus hard to destroy with bombs.
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You need to take out the sites that revolve around parts of the program that allow the program to move forward - technological/developmental choke points. Given the complexity of the project, that may very well be a small number of sites.
 
Kandahar said:
You need to at least take out all of the MAIN sites, most of which are underground and thus hard to destroy with bombs.
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Excuse me, but what authority do you have that permits you to draw this conclusion? Are you a weapons program expert? Are you a military strategerist? Are you a defense/intelligence analyst?

Seriously, what expertise do you have on this issue?
 
JMak said:
Excuse me, but what authority do you have that permits you to draw this conclusion? Are you a weapons program expert? Are you a military strategerist? Are you a defense/intelligence analyst?
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I simply know what the intelligence community and elected officials have indicated to the media: That Iran's nuclear program is very spread out, and largely underground, because they do not want to suffer the same fate as Iraq's Osirak reactor did.

JMak said:
Seriously, what expertise do you have on this issue?
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Seriously, shouldn't the burden of proof be on those who are once again beating the war drums?
 
Kim Jong Ill on the other hand.....
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Nope.

Move along, nothing to see here.
You serious?

Must be an Obamatron.
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HAHAHAHA. Good one!

"He disagrees with me so he must be a lib'rul.":doh

How pitiful.

Doesn't Iran support Hamas with weapons and don't you think the may hand them a nuclear car-bomb?
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Of course not. That's ridiculous.
 
So you don't believe that Iran supports terrorist groups with weapons and money?
 
Kandahar said:
OK. What do you think Obama should do about Iran?
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I think we should nuke Iran, then nuke Afghanistan, then nuke Europe, then nuke Antarctica (The penguins are just rude down there), then nuke California (Who needs those tree huggers), then nuke Sesame Street (Kermit looks like a Commie), then nuke the Sun (It's already nuking, but what the hell), then nuke a couple of partridges in a pear tree, and after that, we can all die together. But before we die, lets have a party, and nuke the whole damn Earth for good measure. After all, we don't want the dinosaurs returning any time in the next 50 million years, do we? Unfortunately, roaches will survive. Maybe they will evolve, and someday create another Newsmax before they nuke the whole damn universe.
 
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American said:
So you don't believe that Iran supports terrorist groups with weapons and money?
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And since when did Iran give terrorists everything they had?

Pray tell (I know this is futile as you, like the rest are going to ignore this) why Iran would give terrorists a nuclear weapon, which no state has ever done in history and immediately be on the first to hit if a nuclear weapon goes off anywhere?
 
danarhea said:
I think we should nuke Iran, then nuke Afghanistan, then nuke Europe, then nuke Antarctica (The penguins are just rude down there), then nuke California (Who needs those tree huggers), then nuke Sesame Street (Kermit looks like a Commie), then nuke the Sun (It's already nuking, but what the hell), then nuke a couple of partridges in a pear tree, and after that, we can all die together. But before we die, lets have a party, and nuke the whole damn Earth for good measure. After all, we don't want the dinosaurs returning any time in the next 50 million years, do we? Unfortunately, roaches will survive. Maybe they will evolve, and someday create another Newsmax before they nuke the whole damn universe.
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Nuke the whales!!!
 
obvious Child said:
Pray tell (I know this is futile as you, like the rest are going to ignore this) why Iran would give terrorists a nuclear weapon, which no state has ever done in history and immediately be on the first to hit if a nuclear weapon goes off anywhere?
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Because they know that if the were to do that, and said nuclear weapon were used against, say, Israel, people like you would be the first to demand outrageous levels of "proof" that Iran was behind it before even considering taking action.
 
Fight fire with fire, nuke global warming.
 
Goobieman said:
Because they know that if the were to do that, and said nuclear weapon were used against, say, Israel, people like you would be the first to demand outrageous levels of "proof" that Iran was behind it before even considering taking action.
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Not only that, but if there was ironclad evidence that iran was behind it, people like him would be carping that the US ain't the world's policeman, except when it comes to Darfur, the Balkans, etc. :)roll:), and then would argue that Israel should respond proportionately. :roll::roll:
 
Goobieman said:
Because they know that if the were to do that, and said nuclear weapon were used against, say, Israel, people like you would be the first to demand outrageous levels of "proof" that Iran was behind it before even considering taking action.
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Oh give me a freaking break. If terrorists set off a nuclear bomb, it would be trivially easy to figure out where it came from. It's not like there are that many suspects in the first place. :roll:
 
Kandahar said:
Oh give me a freaking break. If terrorists set off a nuclear bomb, it would be trivially easy to figure out where it came from. It's not like there are that many suspects in the first place. :roll:
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-I- agree with you.
Others? Like OC?
Don't bet on it.
 
Goobieman said:
Because they know that if the were to do that, and said nuclear weapon were used against, say, Israel, people like you would be the first to demand outrageous levels of "proof" that Iran was behind it before even considering taking action.
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Proof actually isn't that hard. While I realize the vast majority of you are beyond ignorant as to what a nuclear weapon is, how they are designed and the types, it's actually not that hard to tell from the blast radius, yield, radioactivity impurities and other factors to pinpoint who made it and where they made it. Besides, if a weapon actually did go off there would only really be two choices as to where it came from: stolen from Russia or a FSU state or from Iran. Russian wouldn't be that hard given the increases in accountability there, which leaves one source.

You still haven't answered the question.

And you won't

I see you have a season ticket on the fail train.
 
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Goobieman said:
I most certainly did. You just didn't like the answer I gave.
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Actually I asked for why Iran would do it. All you gave was rational for why people don't answer the question. You failed to answer the subject in the question.

Hence why I stated it was futile. Both you and American (among others) won't answer the question. You all assume Iran will, but you always fail to give a reason that is reasonable, historical and factual. Iran will! Why? Iran will?! WHY? IRAN WILL! Why?

That's more or less how it goes.
 
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