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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Objection: Relevance?
    Are you SERIOUS?

    You don't understand the relevance at all?

    A government that derived its legitimacy from economic prosperity was very much more tolerant, open and non-threatening to its neighbors. The death to Jews to "Equal Citizens" say huge amounts about what economic prosperity can do to a government's outlook on the world.

    Oh my. Gotta wonder how many college graduates are on this forum....
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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    Gotta say one thing:
    You chose well when picking a name.
    Actually it does a great job on showing who's mature enough to discuss the subject and who's the immature weakling who often resorts to attacking someone on their basis of their user name to compensate for their utter lack of any debate skills.

    Clearly, the later is you.
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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Clearly, the later is you.
    As a college graduate, I understand that the term is "latter", not "later".

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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Oh wow. You're a great reason why American Public schools have failed. Absolutely no critical reasoning whatsoever.
    So, I suspect that you will demonstrate my lack of such skills?

    Nope.

    Conclusion: You're flailing.

    Care to discuss the words of the previous Iranian president who oversaw an economic boom?
    No. It doesn't address what has been stated by all sorts of Iranian's, from president's to the ruling clerics, regarding annihilating Israel.

    Anyone who knows anything (hint: not you) that the president of Iran is engaging in political unity 101: blame an outside aggressor for the problems of a nation. We did not see this with the last Iranian president as he derived his legitimacy from economic prosperity. We didn't even see these phrases come from the current Iranian president until it was clear that the Iranian economy was in the pits.
    Oh, I see...we just ignore their plain language and read into "annihilate Israel" that some Iranian leader is just playing the rhetoric game, huh?

    Like Obama did when he promised to unilaterally re-open Nafta while backdooring the Canadians promising them that such declarations were rhetorical campaign devices?

    I'm disappointed that you grant state supporters of terrorism such benefit of the doubt.

    If we study the Koreas, there is a clear distinction when South Korea stops accusing and threatening North Korea: it's economy took off and legitimacy was derived from economy prosperity. North Korea just made threatening statements, guess how well their economy is doing.
    Right, South Korea booms because it stops threatening the Norks. Any empirical data proving this or are you working off of pure coincidence to guide your foreign policy expertise?

    Do you take everything at face value?
    No, I exercise judgment. And in my judgment, I don't grant state sponsors of terrorism such a high level of benefit of the doubt.

    I bet you don't even grant Bush an equivalent level of doubt, do you?

    Find me an example where the Mullahs risked their own power and lives instead of sending someone else to die for them.
    Why? Doesn't the absence of such examples bolster the case that to make good on their threats to wipe out Israel that they would use their proxy forces in Hamas and Hezbollah?

    WTF are you thinking?

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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Are you SERIOUS?

    You don't understand the relevance at all?

    A government that derived its legitimacy from economic prosperity was very much more tolerant, open and non-threatening to its neighbors. The death to Jews to "Equal Citizens" say huge amounts about what economic prosperity can do to a government's outlook on the world.

    Oh my. Gotta wonder how many college graduates are on this forum....
    There is no economic prosperity in Iran and there has not been for decades. This is a nation on top of an oil tap that must still import refined gasoline because it cannot refine it itself.

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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    There is no economic prosperity in Iran and there has not been for decades. This is a nation on top of an oil tap that must still import refined gasoline because it cannot refine it itself.
    You know, of course, that as soon as it happens, people like oC will be the first to scream "I told you so!", and blame whatever Republicans that happen to be around.
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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You know, of course, that as soon as it happens, people like oC will be the first to scream "I told you so!", and blame whatever Republicans that happen to be around.
    Word.

    And, of course, it'll be America's or Israel's fault that Iran did use a nuke. In fact, as we all know, right, it's America's fault that Iran is even pursuing a nuke.

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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    I think this analogy depends on how deep his religion is.
    Thats a valid point but no attention is being paid to what Irans intentions would be if it got a nukes. The only media discourse surrounding the issue revolves around one badly translated statement made by the countrys president about a year ago.

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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    All the more reason to nuke them this month before it happens.

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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Though i often wonder if Iran getting a nuke would be as catastrophic as many are making it out to be. I was watching an interview with Kenneth Waltz a while back that was taken some time before the invasion of Iraq and he argued that even if Saddam had nukes and had ties with terroists the rules of Mutually Assured Destruction would still apply.

    This is because if any terroist in the world used a nuke against the west Saddam Hussein would automatically be blamed and Iraq would be nuked in return, whether Saddam Hussein was responsible or not.

    Now that Iran has inherited Iraqs status as international boggyman its argueable that the same rules apply. Both leaders were dispicable human beings but neither were stupid or irrational. Kim Jong Ill on the other hand.....
    I'll try to say this as clearly as possible.

    There is a bureau of the Iranian government in charge of making sure that the government acts within Koranic rules. This is important to keep in mind.

    The Koran forbids them to act first or to start a war.

    BUT...

    If they did so, Israel would be toast.

    Or, if they interpreted an innocuous act by Israel to be an act of war, that might give them a reason to 'respond' with a nuclear strike on Israel. If Hamas resumed rocketing Israel as it had which prompted this latest hostility, and Israel once again resumed it's intense retaliation and some Iranians were killed, could that set off the Iranians?

    When looking for an excuse, any excuse will do.

    Because it only takes a few minutes for a missile to travel the distance between Iran and Israel there is no safety zone to prevent Israel's total annihilation should Iran get a nuke.

    The only protection the Israelis would have would be the promise of the Iranians not to violate the Koran.

    But against that promise would be the threat that Israel should be wiped off the map (spoken a number of times in a number of different ways).

    Now, you speak of mutually assured destruction as a deterrent.

    This is no deterrent to those who welcome death, who eagerly anticipate the great chaos and fire from the sky that will summon the 12th Imam out from hiding.

    Do you think these are the words of a mindset that would be stopped by the fear of assured nuclear destruction?

    "We do not worship Iran. We worship Allah...For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land (Iran) burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world."

    -- Ayatollah Khomeini

    The Case for Bombing Iran
    And just because I quote from an article advocating we bomb Iran does not mean that I endorse that course of action. Doing so would trigger a regional (and maybe global) Holy war.

    A war GWB managed to avoid with the invasion of Iraq.
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